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Great thread. I am waiting for some independent estimates how much oil is actually being released. Those pics seem to indicate that the rate of flow greatly exceeds the official story. Add the large underwater plumes to the equation and I fear this is MUCH worse than reported.
I hope I am wrong.
I say watch for a silent evacuation of rich and powerful while the gettins good.
Originally posted by Thain Esh Kelch
Do you mind making a drawing that shows where the oil is? And maybe add a size-determinator?
Originally posted by grizzard83
To give you guys a picture of the amount of oil that could be leaking into the gulf I will tell you that I am a tankerman that loads and discharges barges for a living. I can discharge two 25000 barrel barges to a refinery in around 12 hours. This is done with two 6 or 8 cylinder diesel engines spining two deep well pumps pushing product heavier then crude through 8 to 12 inch pipelines at around 55 pounds per sqaure inch of pressure. Now imagine a 12 to 24 inch drill stem at 20,000 to 70,000 psi, not good. I say watch for a silent evacuation of rich and powerful while the gettins good.
The spoon-fed MSM number of 210,000 gallons per day would mean a spill of 11 average swimming pools a day and since we're 28-days into the event, about 300 swimming pools of oil.
One of the numbers is obviously bull#. Either BP & gov't are underplaying the hell out of this hoping to avoid wholesale panic around the Gulf Coast states (can't blame 'em...) OR this 'oil volcano' continues to be an extinction level event in the works.
Originally posted by 1SawSomeThings
What is not seen are the other plumes that are erupting below the range of visible satellite from 1 mile down, spreading who knows where. Probably Texas and Mexico beaches, and maybe the Eastern seaboard.
The dispersants the Gov. and oil execs are spreading are toxic, and are the only thing keeping the majority of the spill from surfacing. The dispersants are simply damage control. This type of chemical remediation has never been tested on such a huge ecosystem as the Gulf of Mexico.
The well was initially flowing at a rate of 30,000 barrels per day (1 barrel = 42 US gallons = 159 litres), which was reduced to around 10,000 bpd by attempts to plug the well. Two relief wells were drilled to relieve pressure and the well was eventually killed nine months later on 23 March 1980. Due to the massive contamination caused by the spill from the blowout (by 12 June, the oil slick measured 180km by 80km), nearly 500 aerial missions were flown, spraying dispersants over the water. Prevailing winds caused extensive damage along the US coast with the Texas coast suffering the greatest. The IXTOC I accident was the biggest single spill ever, with an estimated 3.5 million barrels of oil released. members.tele2.nl...
This is the type of fearmongering I've been pointing out in my disinfo thread.
Originally posted by Streetwise
"One gallon of motor oil can contaminate one MILLION gallons of water."
"One quart of motor oil can create an oil slick two acres in size!"
And that is not the only source for this info..you can find it also on this University of Georgia website www.uga.edu...
EXPLANATION: Backyard mechanics dump more used oil into Michigan's environment each year than the Exxon Valdez spilled into Alaska's Prince William Sound
EXPLANATION: Oil spills account for only about five percent of the oil entering the oceans.
The Coast Guard estimates that for United States waters sewage treatment plants discharge twice as much oil each year as tanker spills.
During the last decade, more than one billion gallons of oil spilled worldwide.
Land runoff and recreational boating account for nearly 3⁄4 of the 5,000,000
gallons of petroleum released into the oceans annually
National Academy of Sciences 5/23/2203) – perwww.4.nationalacademies.org)
Like several individual PAHs, waste crankcase oil has
been shown to be mutagenic and teratogenic . The
results are mixed, but some immunological, reproductive,
fetotoxic, and genotoxic effects have been associated
The concentration of various PAHs is much higher in used
oil than in (fresh) lubricating oil . For example,
Grimmer et al. reported concentrations of dibenz(a,c)-
anthracene, 4-methylpyrene, fluoranthene,
benz(a)anthracene, benzo(e)pyrene, benzo(g,h,i)perylene,
and benzo(a)pyrene, respectively, 36, 49, 253, 720,
1,112, 4,770, and 7,226 times higher in used compared
to fresh oil .
As an oil used in a crankcase, motor oil breaks down to
give a wide variety of oxygenated and aromatic
hydrocarbons . Other organic compounds found in
waste oil include toluene, benzene, xylenes, and
ethylbenzene. Also present are organic and inorganic
compounds of chlorine, sulphur, phosphorus, bromine,
nitrogen, and metals such as zinc, magnesium, barium, and
lead resulting from oil additives and contamination
during use or disposal .
Used engine oil is a contaminant of concern, with large
volumes entering aquatic ecosystems through water runoff.
The major source of petroleum contamination in urbanized
estuaries comes from waste crankcase oil . PAHs,
heavy metals, additives and antioxidants, trace levels of
chlorinated solvents, and PCBs have been detected in used
engine oil . As mentioned above, naphthalene,
benzo(a)pyrene, fluorene, and phenanthrene are common PAH
components of used motor oil .
It's called the hydrocarbon pollution intelligence test...[no, really!]
Now then...If the US Geological and Oceanic survey figures are right and the Gulf contains about 642 trillion gallons of water...and if the minimum independent flow rate estimates I used are anywhere near right..and I ask you to check my numbers...but if they add up and this IS the best "conservative independent" base-line calculation for what damage has been done so far ...that means in the last month the Deepwater Horizon spill has polluted/contaminated 10.43563068920676 % of the Gulf Of Mexico.