A hole in space… no really, an actual hole!

It could be an Excession I suppose.

In which case I'd leave it well alone.

reply to post by captainbitter


Captain Bitter,

Of the things you describe, all these things have a counterpart.

Existence does not have a counterpart, but all things you mention are a PART of existence itself.

Existence is a part of no other thing. It simply is.

As well, nonexistence is not a counterpart, but it is an opposite... they do not "exist" together because of the very definition of the term "nonexistence".

Nonexistence is the state of our universe not existing. Does that make sense? But a hole is something. It cannot be nothing because nothing cannot exist within a universe where there is existence.

Everything is. There is no nothing.

Edit to fix a major contradiction which was actually a foolish mistake. I added the "not" next to "Existence does...have a counterpart." I assure y'all I am not so double-minded.

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Is that where Jesus lives?

LOL @ this little universe having NEW ENCOUNTERS ARE THEIR NOT ANY technologically advanced species that can detect whats there is this something new for the universe to experience. GOD is very cool indeed yet another treat for the many eyes abroad!!!!

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It is strange, although the do give a hypothesized answer to it in the full article. It looks like some type of matter or energy blasted it's way through the nebula or is still there and repelling the visible matter away. However, we either cannot detect it or it is already gone.

Originally posted by H.P. Wormwood
Not really a hole in space, but a hole in a cloud.

A Massive hole, what could have punched a hole like that through the nebula?? A rogue planet? Blast of energy from a star? Though if something actually punched through one would think maybe there would be trails of gas and starstuff leaving the hole. hmmmmm

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It is just a toilet for god that is all....

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The problem is we no so little about space. In the safety of the Heliosphere we observe and by comparing things we know, we come to conclusions.

Maybe the "hole" only appears as a hole because we cannot measure low emiting radiation in order to view what is or isn´t there.

The same for Black holes, these obviously arn´t holes but massive objects which suck everything in and therefore appear as a hole.

Originally posted by St Udio

i have not yet heard anyone say that this could be the 'White Hole'

that the energies & dense matter membrane which was once a Black Hole in our physical dimension
actually collapsed through the fabric of space into another dimension and resulted in that universes' Big Bang event...their beginning of time/space

i reckon White Holes are very rare indeed, depending if there are multi-verses beyond
or only the 10 theorized dimensions in the popular 'string-theory' model


by all logic, the White Hole should become no-more as the fabric of space & the energies of this universe close up the nothingness that is temporarily 'there',
it should 'close' at the same rate the expansion of our universe is proceeding , or as fast as probability allows

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I'd argue white holes are a little more commonplace than you think...


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You'll find information inside those blogs (view all).

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I have a feeling this is where they hid Obamas real birth certificate and the Fed. Reserves real accounts

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I gotcha, sometimes it's hard to wrap ones head around what is infinite and existence.

reply to post by TheOracle
where is Phage when you need him?

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perhaps i should have said , actual/visible White-Holes,
instead of the theoretical White-Holes that all Black-Holes are destined to eventually evolve into....

the White-Holes i speak of are the remnants of Black-Holes disappearing from our observable universe...
Where as those other White-Holes are thought to be portals or vortices
of potential-or-probability events (sub-sub-sub-Quanta energies) higgs boson type of pop-in pop-out sublime energy that hasn't the right stuff to yet become quantum energy yet. that takes layers of this condensed probability-potential to actually organize itself as energy...
at that early stage its the stuff of magic and continuing creation, oozing into our universe from the numberous tiny points of nothingness throughout our cosmos


thanks for the facebook link, i'll grok it later

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hell i give up the Ats programs will not alter the length of the current sentences to make the post readable !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

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so much for my attempts, i wish the porn pics would enhance my pics in this manner

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ha... You'll be glad you did!

Worst idea ever if its an alien cloaking device... if we've picked the apparant 'hole' up as being strange then Im pretty sure whoever they're hiding from would be able to as well.

Something could have blown a hole in the fabric of our universe creating a hole in space and time. Read from page 93 on, well you'll probably read more. But imagine an energy so dense, so compact and so focused that it simply ripped a hole in our bubble.

books.google.com... s&sig=Sn4P7d86xQX3uUh1b_K8lvFiv9o&hl=en&ei=qiTsS4icNIWKlweFqMG1CA&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&ved=0CB0Q6AEwAg#v=onepage&q&f=false

I find the cloak idea... a bad one.
If your trying to cloak something. it's because you want to hide it.
This sucker shows up as an empty region in space. That's bound to bring notice.

quite the opposite effect.

It's gotta be something different.

A hole in space… no really, an actual hole!

Actually, no.

A dust cloud in space with an empty area. Strange maybe, but not a hole in space. In fact a perfectly plausible explanation was given right in the article without all the talk of cloaked civilizations, higher dimensional beings, and other fantastic claims.

Also, if you look at the picture in infrared you can see something in there that's not in the first picture so it's not totally empty.

You've got to assume that something like this is of alien origin. Perhaps it's one of their motherships and they're using a technology similar to our crafts' cloaking devices to avoid being spotted.

Is it moving? If so, I sure hope it isn't coming this way!

Wow this is pretty sick!
Would be cool if we could know what it is really....

Flagged!
Thanks for posting

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That is what I was thinking....cloaking so everybody knows there is a cloak?

This 'hole' is probably something we can not understand with our scientific knowledge of today. Just the way we have difficulty with explaining blackholes.

This phenomenon is a reminder that we still have a lot of math and physics to learn.

We are just looking up in the sky to see what is there and you bet we haven't seen it all.