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The above excerpt was taken from Magick and Physics by Dave Lee.
1. The wave property of matter and energy: Any object which obeys quantum theory (e.g. a particle such as an electron) can be in more than one place at once. Its position is ‘smeared out’ into a probability function, which tells us the probability of finding it an any given place when we measure its position;
2. The particle property of energy and matter: when we measure the position of a quantum object, we pin it down, as it were, to a particle-like state - i.e. , previous to our measurement, the object wasn’t really anywhere in ordinary space-time; it only had a probabilistic wave nature; after we measure its position, it gets a real position in ordinary space-time. This is called ‘collapsing the probability
function’ or ‘collapsing the wavefunction’. What happens is that our observation causes its properties to manifest.
3. The observer-dependent universe: The fact that our observation creates the particular manifestation of the reality we are observing, as in point (2).
4. The quantum leap: quantum objects have the property of disappearing from one place and reappearing in another without crossing the intervening distance. An electron moving from one orbital in an atom to another does it in this way.
5. Indeterminacy: The Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle states that we cannot measure with arbitrary accuracy the position and the momentum of any quantum object at the same time. The more accurately we measure the position of an electron, the less accurately must we measure its momentum. Position and momentum are a conjugate pair of variables, and Heisenberg’s equation also shows that there are other conjugate pairs of variables, like energy and time.
6. Non-locality: The collapse of the probability function caused by our observation implies that the observer-dependency is non-local in space; this non-locality is further born out by the experiments of Alain Aspect, and John Bell’s interpretation of them. In these experiments it was demonstrated that if two photons are fired out from the same source in opposite directions, and we polarize one of them, the other gets polarized too. Somehow, they remain connected, even thought they are traveling apart at the speed of light.
Most excellent thread. S&F!
Yeah, I realize this is a bit more technical than most threads, which normally means less response. I'm not too worried, we'll see where it goes.
Please don't equate lack of response to lack of interest. There is a lot of info to digest in there.
Excellent job of providing a simplified explanation of some very difficult concepts.
haha...I guess, but IMO, most of the science I'm discussing here is fairly solid stuff...
From that aspect, it is very much like the "believers" and "debunkers" on ATS itself!
Sweet, it's nice to know I'm not just stabbing around in the dark! Thank you for the nice reply.
I am finishing my dissertation now for my PhD in Quantum Metaphysics
So I can say you are on the money!!!
That's because both models of the universe are correct in their own respect...what scientists are currently trying to do, is build a "theory of everything"...where they can link together all these different theories and create a unified theory which adequately explains nature and reality...but we are still missing several key pieces of information that will allow physicists to achieve this...particularly things like gravity and the so called "dark matter" need explanation...
My statement was in reference to how some equations and experiments appear to completely affirm the Newton/Einstein theory of the huniverse, while there are likewise similar equations and experiments that demonstrate that quantum mechanics does result in predictable results.
The theory of everything (TOE) is a putative theory of theoretical physics that fully explains and links together all known physical phenomena, and, ideally, has predictive power for the outcome of any experiment that could be carried out in principle. Initially, the term was used with an ironic connotation to refer to various overgeneralized theories. For example, a great-grandfather of Ijon Tichy—a character from a cycle of Stanisław Lem's science fiction stories of 1960s—was known to work on the "General Theory of Everything". Physicist John Ellis claims to have introduced the term into the technical literature in an article in Nature in 1986. Over time, the term stuck in popularizations of quantum physics to describe a theory that would unify or explain through a single model the theories of all fundamental interactions of nature.
Well, it's not really...that thread was basically about the LHC, which meant I got into particle physics a bit...but the nuclear physics part is pretty sloppy...the whole thread is sloppy really, this one is a lot better.
Nuclear phyics prob way out there give it a go though
Yes, it was similar topics that lured me to this forum, I find this stuff extremely intriguing.
Quantum Mechanics, Quantum Theory, Quantum Metaphysics, Quantum Philosophy.......all topics that lured me to this forum.
Haha, yeah, mathematics has always been my weakest area...but mathematics isn't everything, and I see no point in remembering a thousand different equations and numbers when you can look them up on demand.
I can't get enough of it. I wish I could learn at a Uni but most of these subjects require a substantial grasp of high level mathematics & matrices, which I don't posses. :/
Originally posted by CHA0S
However, when they decided to mount a camera next to the slits, hoping to get a definitive answer, they realized that the mystery had only just begun. When the scientists tried to observe the electrons passing through the slits, they started acting like an ordinary object and made only a very predictable 2 slit pattern on the fluorescent screen. The scientists had collapsed the wave function of the electrons, simply by observing them.
It is a widespread misunderstanding that, when two slits are open but a detector is added to the experiment to determine which slit a photon has passed through, then the interference pattern no longer forms and the experimental apparatus yields two simple patterns, one from each slit, superposed without interference. Such a result would be obtained only if the results of two experiments were superposed in which either one or the other slit is closed. However, there are many other methods to determine whether a photon passed through a slit, for instance by placing an atom at the position of each slit and monitoring whether one of these atoms is influenced by a photon passing it. In general in such experiments the interference pattern will be changed but not be completely wiped out. Interesting experiments of this latter kind have been performed with photons and with neutrons.
New Age community reaction
What the Bleep Do We Know!? has been described as "a kind of New Age answer to The Passion of the Christ and other films that adhere to traditional religious teachings." It offers alternative spirituality views characteristic of New Age philosophy, including critiques of traditional religion's moral values. The movie was well received at film festivals where New Age adherents are demographically strong, for example Sedona, Arizona.
Scientists who have reviewed What the Bleep Do We Know!? have described distinct assertions made in the film as pseudoscience. Amongst the concepts in the film that have been challenged are assertions that water molecules can be influenced by thought (as popularized by Masaru Emoto), that meditation can reduce violent crime rates, and that quantum physics implies that "consciousness is the ground of all being." The film was also discussed in a letter published in Physics Today that challenges how physics is taught, saying teaching fails to "expose the mysteries physics has encountered [and] reveal the limits of our understanding." In the letter, the authors write "the movie illustrates the uncertainty principle with a bouncing basketball being in several places at once. There's nothing wrong with that. It's recognized as pedagogical exaggeration. But the movie gradually moves to quantum 'insights' that lead a woman to toss away her antidepressant medication, to the quantum channeling of Ramtha, the 35,000-year-old Atlantis god, and on to even greater nonsense." It went on to say that "Most laypeople cannot tell where the quantum physics ends and the quantum nonsense begins, and many are susceptible to being misguided," and that "a physics student may be unable to convincingly confront unjustified extrapolations of quantum mechanics," a shortcoming which the authors attribute to the current teaching of quantum mechanics, in which "we tacitly deny the mysteries physics has encountered."
Great movie IMO, whether they exaggerated parts and included a few silly things they really shouldn't have, it still contains pure golden information that has been invaluable in developing my understanding of reality and consciousness. I used What The Bleep videos because they are done in an extremely entertaining way whilst still explaining in adequate detail the concepts I needed to get across.
The source for your videos is the movie "What the bleep so we know" which has taken real science and distorted some scientific truths and facts into exaggerated claims and pseudoscientific nonsense.
That is extremely interesting...I had heard a little about this, but haven't really looked into it. It seems a less direct form of observation wont completely collapse the wave-function, but it will influence it, am I correct?
The wave function doesn't always collapse when observed, it depends on how the observation is made:
I was actually considering putting this in the metaphysics section...but the science section is much more fitting IMO. However, this is not meant to be a completely scientific and mundane thread...this is a conspiracy forum after all...I wanted to emphasize the mysterious aspects of quantum physics...and connect those aspects with consciousness and the observer and really emphasize that magical aspect of quantum mechanics where we can each create our own reality. I tried to keep a nice balance between fact and fiction so that whilst I wasn't misinforming people, I was still leading them into what I find to be very intriguing and important topics.
If you want to use "What the bleep do we know" as a source, this thread belongs in the Metaphysics forum and not the science forum
I believe water molecules can be influenced by thought, mass group meditation can reduce crime rates, and consciousness is the ground of all being...
Amongst the concepts in the film that have been challenged are assertions that water molecules can be influenced by thought (as popularized by Masaru Emoto), that meditation can reduce violent crime rates, and that quantum physics implies that "consciousness is the ground of all being."