reply to post by CHA0S
It is a good thread, but this stuff is not quite as solid as you might think.
They can prove most of what they're saying except for one thing - they do not know, if they are not observing, that the waves do not also collapse on
their own. See, it doesn't make sense to claim that we can collapse the wave function only because we're human observers and there is actually no
proof to support this idea.
The only idea that is supported is that when we observe, the wave function collapses. It is narcissism to believe that it's just because you observe
it and that it doesn't happen when you don't observe it.
What are other reasons for the creation and collapse of the wave function?
We are only being told one way of looking at things.
As well, these scientists are able to determine the position of the wave functions as a particle but not the momentum because the wave function
collapses and become a particle at that moment.
Do we some kind of picture of this happening? Do we have energy readings we can follow and understand? Do we have anyway of understanding that the
wool isn't being pulled over our eyes? Or is this all simply theory that just makes sense, but in reality it is actually Not An Observable Thing At
The reality that you see, hear, touch, feel... it is all actually your perception inside your own brain. None of it can be proven to be the same as
what everyone else perceives - ever. Not unless you find a way to get ahold of someone's brain and hook it up to a television set.
Therefore, when you think to yourself, "I want to see Orion today." Orion, if it exists outside of your perception, does not respond by
recollapsing and forming the stars that you perceived were there. No... Orion already exists in your mind as a fact. Orion is solid and will always
be solid in your mind. You will never be convinced Orion does not exist because it will never not exist (barring any strange disasters that affect
stars millions of light years apart). So, when you go to your window, which just collapsed into reality because you entered your room, and look up at
the south-eastern sky on a winter night (in the northern hemisphere), you perceive Orion to be exactly where you believed it would be.
Now, here's where it gets interesting.
Everyone else believes that as well.
You bring any person, friend, stranger to that window and show them the south-eastern sky on a winter night in the northern hemisphere, they are going
to see 8 stars which form the shape which I personally perceive to be Orion. Interestingly enough, we could point to each of the stars and agree on
their positions and agree fully that it is a constellation and its name is Orion.
Wait a minute. That doesn't make sense.
I thought I created reality by observing it?
But someone else can do that, too! And... they create the EXACT SAME THING.
So.. therefore, reality already has its function. But when we observe reality, we force it to reveal its function. But we do -not- create the
reality by -only- observing it. We do not tell the electrons what wave function they should have. It is chosen for them already before we get there.
We only simply get to -observe- the function designed for it.
Because we must still remember... we only perceive what our brain perceives and how it perceives it. No matter how much we agree on something, that
does NOT prove that the perception is truly the same... only that we are able to create the illusion that we do agree.
As well, I think it is possible for us to affect things on the other side of the universe instantly. But I do not think we create these things. WE
are but conduits through which energy flows. We are not the creators of the energy, neither are we the destroyers of it. I think it is possible for
me to have it within me to think to myself, "Send this message : I miss you." To another creature with a brain on the opposite side of the
universe, if such a creature existed. I believe it would receive the message and totally believe it was its own thought. I believe we do receive
messages like these every day. I believe we are so convinced of our own being but we are -so- wrong about who we actually are.
That being said, I really actually did enjoy the OP. It is good and simple and easy to learn for anyone who is interested in learning the basics of
quantum physics. I think it's worth a look, because there is a lot of good stuff.
Just be careful to recognize what is somewhat provable and what is actually only hopeful pondering.