Mosque to go up near New York's ground zero

Originally posted by thomasblackraven
What would be the reaction of building an evangelical megachurch next to Mecca? Would it be stood for, or rebelled against? Why then is people's reactions here all that shocking?

Because we're talking about The USA here, not Saudi Arabia. There is supposed to be freedom of religion and religious expression in the US. Arab nations make no such promises.

I admit, I had a bit of a reaction to the title of "they are taking the p*ss", but there is no reason why they can't build it there.

This is a slap on the face of the families who object to this. If the families agree to such institution being placed so close to a memorial so be it. It goes against the wishes of the families who were directly affected by this tragedy.

A note to all of you making this a religion and a race situation. Not everyone involved in that tragedy was one particular religion. In the end, if the families say no....then that is what should be respected.

I swear the things people choose to make as news and get riled up about just shows how deep the underlying racism and hatred unto others of other faiths and cultures is in this country.

Those against building a mosque in the most multicultural city in the US need to remember that Muslims who were not the hijackers also died in 911.

reply to post by prionace glauca

What should be respected is the fact that Muslims are not terrorists. The MSM makes you think they are.

What should be respected is the insult to Muslims that building a Mosque here is seen as wrong.

If those families who have sufferred from 9-11 attacks believe that all Muslims are bad and that a Mosque is an 'up yours' then there is something seriously wrong with their understanding of the world.

If however it was a building to praise terrorists then I would understand the insult.

Sorry to pick on your post but we cannot bow down to the wants of people just because they have been through dark times, we need to show respect and allow all those who are morally good to have freedom. Muslims are morally good, they are not terrorists.

And no, I am not a Muslim... I am just somebody who values freedom and can see past the idea that building a Mosque near ground zero is an insult.

reply to post by and14263


You are just as in the Wrong as the MSM. Not all Muslims are terrorists, but you make it out that if one or a few object then everyone of their race/religion to be considered racists or bigots?

Again, this matter should be in the hands of the families whose lives were changed forever by this tragedy. If the families do not object, then there should be no reasons for others to object. The families of the victims are against such construction, then we should respect their wishes and not try to villify them for objecting. They have already suffered enough.

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like they dont have enough mosques allready. this is getting out of hand.

reply to post by conspiracydude


right....why build another mosque to promote religious tolerance and provide a place for Americans who practice a faith different from yours to worship, when we could just have another Starbucks, Burger King or Walmart there instead..

reply to post by nik1halo


There are many people that do not want this Mosque near the twin Towers.
Ask yourself how you would feel when every morning you're awakened by the call for prayer.
It's coming folks, it's coming.

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Originally posted by worldwatcher

Those against building a mosque in the most multicultural city in the US need to remember that Muslims who were not the hijackers also died in 911.

And not every Nazi killed Jews.

So, how about that Nazi Memorial in Israel?

Just saying. It appears everyone wrongly judges all Nazis as bad.

***Just playing Devil's advocate here, I personally detest what Nazis stood for***

So I guess what the point is, that most people detest what the Islamic Political system stands for. (Just like Christianity was a political system for over a thousand years).

I see no difference between any of those ideologies.

Nazi, Communist, Christian, Islamic, Republican, Democrat. It's all the same to me.

Just some jerk telling me how to live/think/believe/act. All the same to me.

Now explain to me, WHY IS IT WRONG to put a Nazi Memorial in Israel???

Explain it I am all ears.

This will be a very fun debate.

This mosque should not be permitted to exist.

Of course, the muslims are, for some odd reason, a protected class of people. We are not to question the muslims or insult the muslims. We are not to examine their history and motives. We are not to examine the teachings of their prophet or mock him in anyway. We only need to submit to their each and every demand.

Mosques are not places of worship. Again and again and again they have been proven to be places of military planning, stock piles, and armories from which islamic jihad soldiers execute their military orders to spread Islam in the way of the prophet: jihad violence.

Currently their violent jihad lifestyle serves the purposes of the communists and socialists and union thugs, and one will invariably find muslim supporters among these violent political movements.

You will NOT find muslims marching in the streets for an end to Jihad violence, death for apostates, or Sharia law. Because muslims support them and want them implemented across the planet.

1,400 years of violent jihad. Is it a trend?

No more mosques.

reply to post by MagicaRose


Ask yourself if you want to be awakened by all the church bells?
Oh yea, they are Christian though so that's ok right?

reply to post by muzzleflash


sorry I can't compare a major religion to a political party in the same manner, nazi versus islam.. I can't see the connection.

Tell me they were building a monument to Al Qaeda at Ground Zero and then you'll see my outrage, but Al Qaeda doesn't represent the religion of Islam, no matter how hard the intolerant try to promote it.

And if you think Nazis were not religious extremists, you need to check out some of the information about their super weird occult like beliefs. The whole Aryan thing was purely religious at it's core.

Here is why it is wrong to build a Nazi Memorial in Israel.

1) You are pouring salt on a fresh wound.
2) You are asking for trouble.
3) Provoking a negative response simply for the fun of starting a fight.

This equates exactly to building a Mosque down the street from the most prolific and widely publicized site of a Islamic Extremist terrorist attack.

It fulfills the same 3 points.

1) You are pouring salt on a fresh wound.
2) You are asking for trouble.
3) Provoking a negative response simply for the fun of starting a fight.

reply to post by prionace glauca

Why do we have to rely on these families to provide our morals?

I'm saying the idea that they are insulted by a Muslim place of worship means there's a huge source of mis-education, I can only find the MSM as this source.

I'm also not saying my morals are the definitive morals, I'm saying allow freedom where it's due.

A Mosque is not a symbol of terrorism. If it serves as a reminder of terrorism then we are in a sad world dominated by MSM pressures.

We cannot let these families decide our morals, instead we must use common-sense.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
reply to post by conspiracydude

 

right....why build another mosque to promote religious tolerance and provide a place for Americans who practice a faith different from yours to worship, when we could just have another Starbucks, Burger King or Walmart there instead..

I believe building that mosque near ground zero is like rubbing
salt into a wound.Plus,the muslims might like to be near a place
where they had victory for awhile.Remember, that the muslims
in the middle east, were celebrating as our citizens were dying!

reply to post by antonia


Church bells? I've heard them all of my life.
Call to prayer? I've never heard in this country and I never want to.

Originally posted by muzzleflash
And if you think Nazis were not religious extremists, you need to check out some of the information about their super weird occult like beliefs. The whole Aryan thing was purely religious at it's core.

Here is why it is wrong to build a Nazi Memorial in Israel.

1) You are pouring salt on a fresh wound.
2) You are asking for trouble.
3) Provoking a negative response simply for the fun of starting a fight.

This equates exactly to building a Mosque down the street from the most prolific and widely publicized site of a Islamic Extremist terrorist attack.

It fulfills the same 3 points.

1) You are pouring salt on a fresh wound.
2) You are asking for trouble.
3) Provoking a negative response simply for the fun of starting a fight.

I feel you are wrong.

ALL Nazis were against the Jews in a horrible way.

Not all Muslims want to cause terror. You are only pouring salt on the wound of a mis-educated person.

Originally posted by worldwatcher
reply to post by muzzleflash

 

sorry I can't compare a major religion to a political party in the same manner, nazi versus islam.. I can't see the connection.

en.wikipedia.org...

Let's do a refresher course on Nazi History than.

First up: the Swastika is a highly religious symbol, utilized by the National Socialist party of 1930's Germany purely for it's religious significance in relation to their occult beliefs that tie in directly with their "Aryan race is superior" philosophy.

We can debate the details but anyone who has studied the subject should realize their belief system was purely of the same mentality as religious extremism.

reply to post by muzzleflash


en.wikipedia.org...

Nazism was not a religion.

was the ideology and practice of the Nazi Party and of Nazi Germany.[1][2][3][4][5][6][7][8] It was a unique variety of fascism that involved biological racism and anti-Semitism.[9] Nazism presented itself as politically syncretic, incorporating policies, tactics and philosophies from right- and left-wing ideologies; in practice, Nazism was a far right form of politics.[10]

en.wikipedia.org...
Islam-This is a religion. Are you saying 1.57 billion folks are somehow responsible for what happened on 9/11? Maybe we should ban the building of churches near abortion clinics? After all, it's a spit in the face to abortion practitioners and rubbing salt in their wounds.


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Originally posted by and14263

ALL Nazis were against the Jews in a horrible way.

Not all Muslims want to cause terror. You are only pouring salt on the wound of a mis-educated person.

That is very one-sided and unfair.

So you are saying that the current Pope, Benedict XVI; is a Jew hating Nazi essentially.

Following his 14th birthday in 1941, Ratzinger was conscripted into the Hitler Youth — as membership was required by law for all 14-year old German boys after December 1939

en.wikipedia.org...:_1927.E2.80.9351