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posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 05:03 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
How do I learn more?


You could review the many threads on this forum, where I and other members of the Masonic fraternity have discussed the orders history, philosophy, organization, and symbolism. You can also visit the many Masonic websites. A good one to start with is www.mastermason.com....


Masons, how do you recriut people if everything is a secret?


We dont recruit people, and we are not particularly secret. It is true that Masonic meetings are for members-only, but our Fraternity is no more secret than any other fraternity or sorority in the history of the world...actually, it is less secret than many.
If a person wishes to become a Mason, he is required to request admission. Any man of full age who believes in the existence of a Supreme Being, and is of upright moral character, is eligible to join our Fraternity.


If my grandfather was involved long enough to reach that rank I wonder why he would just up and quit?


The 32 is not a rank, it just means that one is a member of the Scottish Rite. The Scottish Rite is a Masonic organization a Brother may join after he becomes a Mason. You do not have to be involved in Masonry a long time to attain the 32 in the US. In this country, practically anyone can go from being a non-Mason to being a 32 member of the Scottish Rite in less than 6 months, and some have even done it in one day.
As to why he quit, only he himself could answer that. Perhaps he became a fundamentalist in his religion, as you mentioned. Fundamentalism generally rejects several key principles of the Enlightenment, upon which Freemasonry is founded. For example, complete religious tolerance and universalism in prayer, both of which are practiced in Freemasonry.
Masonry is a voluntary civic, charitable, and philosophical organization, and anyone can resign if he wants to, for whatever reason.

Fiat Lvx.




posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 07:16 PM
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One of the "prime movers" at that group is one Conrad Mack Barry, who has stalked me for the past two years simply because I am a mason who dares to stand up against the lies they post. He has impersonated me, filed false police reports in my name, flooded my email box with over 50 megabytes of gay porn in several DoS attacks, sent me viruses, worms and trojans, stole copyrighted materials and republished them... you know the drill.

I also was able to find out who the hosts were for the site, and exposed that fact on several webpages (A David Icke Acolyte, no less), whic resulted in the webpage being excommunicated from their ISP, as the host did not want the light shed on her activities and relationship. FW is now hosted by an anonymous service, and the ownership of the name is held by an anonymous service... these people are really afraid.

Based on the actions on the website and its attendent "chat rooms", and the unwillingness of the owner to put a stop to it, complaints were filed with the ISP and hosts of the chat areas, which resulted in six chat rooms being summarily shut down for violations of the law regarding defamation, wire fraud, network attacks, and copyright violations.

It is now as you see it... a dim shadow of its former self, with half the pages 404 due to the incompetence of the administrator(s)... its actually kind of funny, in a sick and pathetic manner. More men have come TO masonry due to it than any would believe. My address, masoniccommunication@excite.com is published on that site, and many men have emailed me asking how to join, that have since become master masons.

I am content to let them sit there as the fools they are, making a loud statement in favor of masonry by the stupidity and ignorance that is evident in every page (that can be accessed) via that website.



posted on Jun, 7 2004 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by theron dunn
One of the "prime movers" at that group is one Conrad Mack Barry, who has stalked me for the past two years simply because I am a mason who dares to stand up against the lies they post. He has impersonated me, filed false police reports in my name, flooded my email box with over 50 megabytes of gay porn in several DoS attacks, sent me viruses, worms and trojans, stole copyrighted materials and republished them... you know the drill.

I also was able to find out who the hosts were for the site, and exposed that fact on several webpages (A David Icke Acolyte, no less), whic resulted in the webpage being excommunicated from their ISP, as the host did not want the light shed on her activities and relationship. FW is now hosted by an anonymous service, and the ownership of the name is held by an anonymous service... these people are really afraid.

Based on the actions on the website and its attendent "chat rooms", and the unwillingness of the owner to put a stop to it, complaints were filed with the ISP and hosts of the chat areas, which resulted in six chat rooms being summarily shut down for violations of the law regarding defamation, wire fraud, network attacks, and copyright violations.

It is now as you see it... a dim shadow of its former self, with half the pages 404 due to the incompetence of the administrator(s)... its actually kind of funny, in a sick and pathetic manner. More men have come TO masonry due to it than any would believe. My address, masoniccommunication@excite.com is published on that site, and many men have emailed me asking how to join, that have since become master masons.

I am content to let them sit there as the fools they are, making a loud statement in favor of masonry by the stupidity and ignorance that is evident in every page (that can be accessed) via that website.


I am sorry to hear about these wicked acts. Ther are not acceptable behaviour in a civilsed society. In many ways they are helping freemasonary become stronger because of their lies. I think that fact will be lost on them.

Brother Gerard

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[edit on 8-6-2004 by Gerard]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 08:20 AM
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www.theforbiddenknowledge.com...

[edit on 8-6-2004 by TgSoe]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 08:48 AM
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Greetings Brethren and Fellows,
My dear TgSoe, Ed King is my arch-nemisis - he has been my enemy for quite some time now. He have had vicious aruments via email over the very topic that page displays. I presented him with a quote from a simple Charges book out of my Lodge and he was infuriated that I had disproved him.

It is a pity that Brothers can have such disagreements, his site is worth checking out though - I have never seen such a wealth of bull$# (excuse the Francais). If you wish to check it out the url is www.masonicinfo.com - it is the very opposite of Freemasonry Watch and though I did not think that any site could beat the benchmark that FW had set - this clearly does... At lesat FW has some nice pictures.

His site is unrealistic in the way that it presents the viewer with the idea that our Order is guilty of nothing - I will admit that there are various things that Cowans and eavesdroppers should not know - But this goes completely overboard and makes us look like Girl Scouts

Regards,
Bro. Daniel Brown



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 08:54 AM
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Originally posted by theron dunn
One of the "prime movers" at that group is one Conrad Mack Barry, who has stalked me for the past two years simply because I am a mason who dares to stand up against the lies they post. He has impersonated me, filed false police reports in my name, flooded my email box with over 50 megabytes of gay porn in several DoS attacks, sent me viruses, worms and trojans, stole copyrighted materials and republished them... you know the drill.


My dear Brother,
Do not think that you are alone in this. I too have been a victim of various anti-Masons but found a way to resolve it. I have many Brothers (if you are interested of course), that have many forms of, shall we say... Firepower; that they use against anti-Masonic websites. It tends to be a LOT more effective than anything the Cowans can come up with. Email me at Decretal@aol.com if you are interested.

Regards,
Bro. Daniel Brown



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 11:48 AM
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I just wanted to speak up for Ed King and the concept of arguing against anti-Masons rather than using "Firepower." I find www.masonicinfo.com an excellent web page, and don't see what you're talking about at all. As for the idea of using some kind of force or "firepower" rather than argumentation to deal with anti-Masons... well, I can think of very few things I would consider less Masonic than using intimidation or attacks against anti-Masons... sure, argue with them, and you can be forgiven if you get hot under the collar, but don't imply we're doing something nasty.

As for the girl scouts comment... what are these things you think Freemasonry is guilty of? From what you typed, it seems that you're implying that there is something sinister to hide, which is simply not true, and you (if you are a Mason) know this just as well as I.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 12:27 PM
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TGSoe. The link that you provided contradicts itself if you click on Ed King's link within it.

The Forbidden knowledge site claims - "The All-Seeing Eye IS a Masonic symbol otherwise it wouldn't appear on Masonic regalia". It also claims that the eye is in a pyramid, which it clearly isn't.

Ed's link states "The simple fact is that the eye in the pyramid is not now nor has it ever been a Masonic symbol. While the 'Eye of Providence' (sometimes referred to in Masonic ritual as the "All-Seeing Eye") is always prominent to remind a Mason that his words and deeds are being judged by the Supreme Architect of the Universe".


So I can't see what Forbidden Knowledge is trying to say. On the one hand it's saying that the eye in the pyramid is a masonic symbol - which it isn't (remember there is no pyramid on the apron). On the other hand it is saying that masonry denies the use of the All Seeing eye - which it doesn't (Ed King explains why the eye is used).

It just goes to show that half the time the anti-masons don' even know what they're talking about. I find it particularly amusing that he actually manages to prove his own contradiction by linking to Ed King's site.

By the way. Decretal reads just like MrNecros.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by Leveller]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller

By the way. Decretal reads just like MrNecros.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by Leveller]


thought I was the only one.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:15 PM
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Ed's link states "The simple fact is that the eye in the pyramid is not now nor has it ever been a Masonic symbol. While the 'Eye of Providence' (sometimes referred to in Masonic ritual as the "All-Seeing Eye") is always prominent to remind a Mason that his words and deeds are being judged by the Supreme Architect of the Universe".




I have repeatedly read about "religious tolerance" and how Masonry is not a religion, yet here a reference is made to one entity, "The Great Architect Of The Universe" Could someone clear this up for me? Is this "Great Architect" some sort of amalgam of the different dieties of the various religions represented by Masons? Or is it something else all together? Or are you not at liberty to discuss it?



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by Khonsu

Originally posted by Leveller
By the way. Decretal reads just like MrNecros.

thought I was the only one.

Well, I don't know about him being Mr. Necros, as he's signed up a few months back, but...........
he seems to belong to EVERYthing: OTO, Rosicrucians, SOL, Masonry, who know what else.
find posts
Maybe he's SUPER Mason.
It's a wonder he has time to post here at ATS.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by DontTreadOnMe]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:33 PM
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The mere fact that Decretal is signing his posts Bro. Daniel Brown is evidence enough of the dark portent of his intent. The "Rat" has been illuminated, retire to try again IT must.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman


I have repeatedly read about "religious tolerance" and how Masonry is not a religion, yet here a reference is made to one entity, "The Great Architect Of The Universe" Could someone clear this up for me? Is this "Great Architect" some sort of amalgam of the different dieties of the various religions represented by Masons? Or is it something else all together? Or are you not at liberty to discuss it?


The Great Architect of the Universe is simply our term for God. Masonry if anything is more spiritual than religious. We do not consider ourselves a religious order or organization because we do not profess the practice of a specific religion, the only thing "religious" we require is simply the belief in a supreme being.

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posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:37 PM
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Well, now, MM, let's not be super-hasty.

"Brother" Daniel Brown, let me ask you, what Lodge do you belong to?

I am Alex Kennedy, Inner Guard of Avon Glen #170, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada;
Prelate of Mitzpah Chapter Rose Croix of the Valley of Edmonton AASR;
Junior Sojourner of North Star Chapter #2, RAM, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada.

How about you?



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman
Is this "Great Architect" some sort of amalgam of the different dieties of the various religions represented by Masons?



It's quite simple to explain really.
As freemasonry takes in men from all religions, there are many people who have their own specific gods. You can't have a Muslim referring to Jehovah or a Christian referring to Allah every time a reference to God comes up, so we call him the Great Architect. We all agree that there is one superior being and rather than call him by a different name every time, we refer to Him as The Great Architect as it encompasses everybody's needs.



As for Decretal? I've just read through his posts. As stated before, he definitely reads like MrNecros (the same arrogant ignorance). It is also utterly obvious that he isn't a freemason.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by Leveller]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:47 PM
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Originally posted by Leveller

As freemasonry takes in men from all religions, there are many people who have their own specific gods. You can't have a Muslim referring to Jehovah or a Christian referring to Allah every time a reference to God comes up, so we call him the Great Architect. We all agree that there is one superior being and rather than call him by a different name every time, we refer to Him as The Great Architect as it encompasses everybody's needs.

[edit on 8-6-2004 by Leveller]



I recently read an article that "The Great Architect" was called Jah Bul On in some Masonic ceremonies. As I have no idea if this is true or not, can someone shed some light on this for me? What is Jah Bul On?



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 01:50 PM
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Originally posted by The Axeman

I recently read an article that "The Great Architect" was called Jah Bul On in some Masonic ceremonies. As I have no idea if this is true or not, can someone shed some light on this for me? What is Jah Bul On?



Never heard of it in masonry. The only time I've seen that was in a book called The Hiram Key.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 02:59 PM
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Originally posted by AlexKennedy
Well, now, MM, let's not be super-hasty.

"Brother" Daniel Brown, let me ask you, what Lodge do you belong to?

How about you?


My dear Bro. Alex,
I am Bro. Daniel Brown of St. Andrew's Lodge #198, if you wish to know my Council and Commandery you may U2U me. I thank you for your prudence in this matter.


Originally posted by LevellerAs for Decretal? I've just read through his posts. As stated before, he definitely reads like MrNecros (the same arrogant ignorance).
[edit on 8-6-2004 by Leveller]


My dear Leveller,
I can assure you I am NOT MrNecros, and you comment contradicts previous posts you have made. You say that I definitely read like MrNecros as I have the same arrogant ignorance, yet you don't know what JAH BU LON is? Try taking the Royal Arch degrees, or perhaps Alex can tell you He is obviously a member of a York Rite Chapter. So all in all; in the words of Leveller I say to you this:


Originally posted by Leveller It is also utterly obvious that he isn't a freemason.


Regards,
Bro. Daniel Brown (Yes, Brother)

P.S. DontTreadOnMe, you may notice that I dont have much time to post here see how long Ive been a member and look how many posts I have made.



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 03:11 PM
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You are quite correct that I don't know who or what "JAH BU LON" is. As for your assertion that I may find it in the Chapter, that would be for someone else to explain and that is why I stated that I have not seen it in any of the degrees of which I am a member. I'm not in the Chapter. Over here in the UK, I followed the path of Mark Master Mason. I would not claim to know something that I do not and there is no arrogance in this that I can see.

I stand by my comment totally though. Your name and lodge number mean nothing to me. Maybe somebody else would like to check up on this but I believe that from your earlier comments you are fraudulent. As I stated, I've read through your post history.

By the way, I'm not your "dear" Leveller.


Interesting, the way that this thread was "bumped".

www.abovetopsecret.com...

And my "dear" MrNecros/Freemason - you should learn how to spell "definitely" properly.



DTOM. He doesn't have time to post here because of all of the other aliases that he uses.


[edit on 8-6-2004 by Leveller]



posted on Jun, 8 2004 @ 03:58 PM
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Originally posted by Decretal
My dear Bro. Alex,
I am Bro. Daniel Brown of St. Andrew's Lodge #198, if you wish to know my Council and Commandery you may U2U me. I thank you for your prudence in this matter.


Well, Sir, could you tell me what Grand Lodge you're referring to? I'm a bit surprised that, as a Freemason, you would believe "St. Andrew's Lodge #198" would be specific enough for me to find the Lodge. Maybe you could at least say what country that is?



My dear Leveller,
I can assure you I am NOT MrNecros, and you comment contradicts previous posts you have made. You say that I definitely read like MrNecros as I have the same arrogant ignorance, yet you don't know what JAH BU LON is? Try taking the Royal Arch degrees, or perhaps Alex can tell you He is obviously a member of a York Rite Chapter. So all in all; in the words of Leveller I say to you this:


I have to warn you, Mr. Brown, you're being fairly unctious with the "my dear so-and-sos. I'm sure your intent is good, but you wind up sounding very sarcastic.

As for the three words you quoted above, you're close, but no cigar. Which is to say, you've misspelled them. Now, here's my problem. If you are in "Council and Commandery," as you implied above, you'd know that in order to be in either, you must first be a RAM. And the words above are dealt with in the RAM degree. So the fact that you don't know how to properly spell the words is also very suggestive to me that you are, in fact, not a Mason.

As for the words being a "name" of God, no, this is not so. This is a common misinterpretation, but that is not what they signify. I do not wish to speak any further on their meaning.

Mr. or Brother Brown, simply writing "Bro. Daniel Brown" at the end of your messages does not serve to prove you are a Mason. The fact that you have an obvious dislike of www.masonicinfo.com, when I have never met a single other Mason who shares your opinion suggests to me that you may not be a Mason. The fact that you do not know how to spell a word central to the RAM degree yet claim to have the KT degree is also suggestive. The fact that you placed a Lodge name and number without indicating under which Grand Register it was recorded is also suggestive. The fact that you implied in an earlier message that there was something Masonry needs to hide because, apparently, it is more sinister than the "Girl Scouts," is suggestive. The fact that in a message on a different thread, you claimed to be a "member and Fratre" in several Orders, "both dark and light" is suggestive. Thus you can see whence my doubts arise. If my doubts are misfounded, then I hope you will accept my apologies... but the only way to see they are misfounded is if you present sufficient evidence of your membership here.





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