US Soldiers: the jackboots

To be precise everyone,

i said Blackwater [ a hired mercenary company used the by the criminal Pentagon] is hiring prostitutes, strippers & double billing taxpayers,
as per two of their own employees filing a lawsuit,
notably that the Justice department doesn't think your tax dollars are important enough to protect them from this kind of obscene abuse.

Two former employees of Blackwater Worldwide have accused the private security company of defrauding the government for years by filing
bogus receipts,
double billing for the same services and charging government agencies for
strippers and
prostitutes,

www.nytimes.com...
As for soldiers, i don't know nor care too much what they do with their own paychecks for excitement.

Also it is Blackwater guards that were using little girls as prostitutes in the green zone with full knowledge of Erik Prince as well as him hiring hit men to murder ex-employees who threatened to expose Blackwater crimes & atrocities.

two former employees of security firm Blackwater that its owner
[Erik Prince] was complicit in murder in order to cover up the deliberate killing of Iraqi civilians,
. . .
Blackwater was guilty of using
child prostitutes at its compound in Baghdad’s fortified Green Zone and that owner Erik Prince knew of this activity and did nothing to stop it.The declarations describe Blackwater as “having young girls provide oral sex to Enterprise members in the ‘Blackwater Man Camp’ in exchange for one American dollar.” They add even though Prince frequently visited this camp, he “failed to stop the ongoing use of prostitutes, including child prostitutes, by his men.”One of the statements also charges that “Prince’s North Carolina operations had an ongoing wife-swapping and sex ring, which was participated in by many of Mr. Prince’s top executives.

vodpod.com...

As for homosexual orgies at the Kabul embassy,

Private security guards at the U.S. Embassy in Kabul were pressured to participate in naked pool parties and perform sex acts to gain promotions or assignment to preferable shifts, according to one of 12 guards who have gone public with their complaints.
. . .
ArmorGroup were not only aware of the "deviant sexual acts" but helped to organize them.
. . .
"They were not gay but they knew what it took to get promoted," said the guard,

abcnews.go.com...

This is the 'defense industry' in action.

Not very pretty is it.
These are the companies promoting, lobbying, lying & deceiving us into every kind of battle & weapon's sale.

What pisses me off is that we are supposed to pretend that these wars we are in are not inhuman, anti-American atrocities and we are all supposed to be mindless sheeples and parrot,
"Support the Troops"
"Support the Troops"
"Support the Troops"

Bullpucky.

US soldiers in complicit conjunction with defense contractors [US treasury parasites] committed atrocities at Abu Ghraib, some of which are so bad they have written a law to not let the American public & the world even see them.

As i have already posted, with links,
Rampant racism & dehumanization of the indigenous populations was in full effect, even while soldiers & their commanders want to claim they are doing some favor for someone over there.

Drop weapons & shovels were used to cover up all the civilians that were recklessly killed,

in an optional war, led into by claims of imaginary things.

If some soldier thinks his gullibility, or stupidity is going to get between me & the recognition of the evil he & his Pentagon traitor masters are really perpetrating,

well maybe it worked on the sheeples,

but it sure the F didn't work on me.

John Gotti was proud to be scum
& so are mindless murdering soldiers.

If you have respect for anyone, soldier or no,
it is because the maintain a core set of values that they maintain under virtually all circumstances.

Most wars & soldiers are all about testosterone & alcohol drunken rampages of atrocity & corruption.

And because a lot of people, not just Americans, are so gullible & brain-dead when they see some young guy in his spanking new uniform is beyond me.

The discipline is in the uniform, & almost never in the soldiers.

Intellect is the discipline of mind. That which is core & as indelible to the Universe as anything is.

Honestly, most soldiers are trash. Testosterone driven, male monkey trash.
A uniform is their attempt to duck or escape from their humanity & behave like pigs.

Respect for uniforms is a respect for pigs.

Discipline, real discipline is altogether another matter.
Discipline to & of reality & its seeming infinite ramifications is the only probable key.

[edit on 19-5-2010 by slank]

Originally posted by KyoZero
reply to post by harryhaller

 

But that does NOT make the rest of the soldiers like the ones you encounter. I am not in My Lai, Abu Ghraib, Tiger Force...I did not do those things and for some reason no matter how many times I say this to the contrary you STILL think I am supporting their behavior. So let me try this one more time in hopes it will find a place to dig into your head.

The people who performed those atrocities are BAD BAD BAD.

I have never thought once that the soldiers at My Lai should have a free pass. Rather I think punishment should be swift and harsh once the claims were proven (which they were)
After all…sitting right here behind this monitor is a soldier who HAS opened to other possibilities. Pity you can’t but like I said…my opinion will never be bad of you.

-Kyo

Now this is a most thought provoking post, thank you.

Yo know, i may not be what some here think, thankfully so. We agree on some things, as any civilised people would.

My Lai. Yes. Bad bad bad. Thats about as straight as it gets. But the problem is this:

MY LAI was Kissingers fault. Nobody won there. Everybody lost. There was no greater good. No greater glory. Those who died there died to perpetuate the sadistic mind of Kissinger, simple.

But Kissinger never faced anything for that, or COUNTLESS other atrocities. Why not? Because he has the soldiers. He keeps getting more soldiers once he's screwed the last bunch over. And nobody will arrest him, because soldiers only following orders will prevent that.

Soldiers are keeping the status quo, which even soldiers agree is bad. It's soldiers that come home mentally broken. The numbers of suicides alone should tell you something ain't right. You cannot be a "jackboot" and still be human.

Good soldiers go out and do bad thngs. They come home broken, and dumped on a society who doesn't want or need their issues. They then can't handle it, or the guilt they inevitably carry.

It's just bad, wrong, broken, stupid, wasteful on every single level. The US is obviously the biggest and baddest at all this. But this "glory" thing, the "honour" thing too, it's a lie. Yeah, respect to those who stood their ground. Who walked into bullet rain because they believed it right.

But no glory there, only muddy pain and death. And for the wrong reasons too. We're all lied to, soldiers just choose to believe it. And enforce those same lies. Humanity gains nothing, and loses everything, even it's own humanity.

Ireland, Northern Ireland. If there were no soldiers in Ireland, there'd have been no IRA to kick the soldiers out. And it doesn't matter how you argue it, England has been screwing with the Irish for centuries. Potato famine anyone?

The chinese see things differently. The highest ideal (traditionally) was the poor man, the wanderer, who did no harm and stayed to himself. These men would shun any office, and had no more desire than to have a pleasant day.

Compare that if you would with the West's constant reinforcement of the soldier as ideal, follow orders! enforce! march!

2 opposite ideals, and i would like to hope that any new world we make, takes the concept of soldier, an puts it into the "undesireable" class. We would not want war, in fact, we would reject war as an option. We would reject the calls for our sons to go to war. We would not give our blessings to their killing in the name of ....

Man must overcome, but we've evolved from killing for food, to killing for land, to killing for profit, to killing for the sake of killing. It really is there now. These "rich" nations have plenty, they have enough, there is nothing in Iraq or Afghanistan that any of us need. (except for pentagon money).

reply to post by slank


You really are putting some good stuff into this thread. Thank you for your links and comments!!

It's happening all over, all his bad stuff. I HATE how people pretend not to know, or pretend it's not relevant, when they find out.

Deny ignorance.

The thing is...I wan peace probably as much as you. I often wonder how I would have tolerated war but it so happens that my particular career field was deployable (in that I COULD have gone to war as a volunteer but it isn't common)

Granted the Air Force is the least of a factor when it comes to actual combat but what if I had been in a fire fight? I frankly haven't the slightest clue what I would have done or how I would have reacted.

You and I aren't so different honestly. We want the same thing, peace. I don’t mean just the end of war I mean honest to goodness peace. I keep asking you and slank for your plans to start the revolution. I wasn’t egging you on I really wanted to see if you had a plan and you answered honestly that you for the most part did not. The thing is this whole time you kind of have started a revolution. A small one perhaps but anyone who has ever made a snowman knows you don’t just blink and the lower body is made; you start with a few flakes to a snowball and eventually it becomes a boulder. I apologize right now for getting all sappy or whatever but it’s who I am. I am an open-minded and loving individual.

The point is we had some pretty heavy exchanges and all of a sudden we both started to understand each other more. I posit that the start of any revolution no matter how big or small starts with understanding. You and I may have reached that point. Doesn’t mean we have to agree with the other’s methods but hey it’s a step and I will take it.

[/sap] :-p

Look I am all about a revolution in this country. I am a Socialist and I believe in love, caring and all that flowery crap (minus the labels) and frankly I don’t think a change here will occur without a revolution. The thing is I am not convinced revolution has to equate to violence. However I admit imperfection…hell I am LOADED with imperfections. I do NOT know what the path is to make the change, at least not yet. Frankly I think if people would stop trying to hide and just be honest life would be so much better. ((PS that is not directed at you…but to everyone because goddess knows I am guilty of it too))

Now to get to the meat of your response I have to start with one piece of honesty. I am a pretty hardcore skeptic. I like the concept that the simplest explanation is probably right and because of that I tend to not believe a lot of the far out theories here. With that said, my second piece of honesty is that compared to the majority on ATS I am an infant with many CT’s. Oh I know stuff about some of the biggies such as 9/11 or JFK and whatnot but I do have a lot to learn. That is what I am here to do is learn. So sadly I cannot comment much on Kissinger and his role in My Lai.

Now with that said I am proud to star your last post for discussing the issues soldiers have. If I haven’t mentioned I am training and starting my Master’s to be a clinical therapist. In order to be accepted to school I needed some volunteer and ‘shadow’ time. (where you follow a doctor to watch). I did my shadow in the military. I saw the typical things like anxiety and marital issues but it wasn’t until I saw a unit of deployed Marines come home that I realized the full power of this issue and then this therapist did a few sessions with Vietnam and Korean vets. That’s when my mind was blown because frankly as a whole this country doesn’t give one fig about those people who have seen horrors that I cannot imagine.

And about the Chinese…while I haven’t studied them in depth I have to agree that the working man is so terrifically important and yet in this country they are pooped on with their $13.00 an hour wages when they work MUCH harder than these execs. And yes I think the Iraqi war is dubious at best and a complete lie at worst.

I will however debate one thing you said (in total respect for you of course)

Compare that if you would with the West's constant reinforcement of the soldier as ideal, follow orders! enforce! march!

Because of my job and the sharing we do with Nato, I have met many other soldiers from several countries. Other countries train their soldiers the same way. Now if you weren’t trying to say only America does this then ignore this past part as I may have misread your intentions.

War is hell…War is pain…War doesn’t want to end and the reason it doesn’t want to end is because some of the populace do not want it to end.

It sucks…hopefully the change is on the way

-Kyo

That was most informative, thanks!

I'd recommend you have a very close look at Kissinger, and his role in Vietnam, and how he basically committed treason against the USA. And how those practices continue. The other big player is Zbegniew Brzinski. There's currently a thread on him elsewhere on ATS.

My views on Chinese culture were shaped largely by a guy called Lin Yutang. The book i have is (1937) The Importance of Living. His take on socialism, capitalism, fascism and communism are startling for it's time.

It's IMHO also important to consider the very limited world view we (the west) has. With the roman and greek roots, ideas and conventions, it presents very specific twist to reality, and our (the plebs) role in the world, which includes fighting for the state, for spoils.

Curiously, one of the greeks greatest thinkers Plato, in his Republic, stated that soldiers should not be of the populace, due to the trauma and dangerous states of mind that are required to be a good soldier. A similar fixed idea we have also comes from the greeks, Homer, where he speaks of Hekate going to war, and leaving his young family to fend for themselves.

reply to post by harryhaller


I will take a look at the Kissinger effect

thanks brother

sorry...will type more later or tomorrow after I read...pretty sick right now

-Kyo