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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:47 AM
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TPTB must be laughing at us. They make it all so obvious, even printing the words "BANK NOTE" on our birth certificates, yet we sit here and have petty arguments with each other.




posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 06:49 AM
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Exactly. With all the bickering, has anyone actually bothered to check whether their own birth certificate numbers have bonds attached using this method? I used my and my wife's Aussie birth certificate numbers to see a few months ago and sure enough, there are 2 bonds being traded with those numbers. Go on and check for yourselves- or are you just too scared to find out you're just strawman and a bunch of numbers?


 
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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 09:59 AM
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If birth certificates were printed on ordinary typing paper they would be very easy to forge. Likewise diplomas, deeds, stock certificates, etc. There are paper companies that specialize in fancy, engraved paper stock for just these sorts of uses. It does not automatically make a birth certificate or diploma negotiable. Given the current cash flow crisis, it is conceivable that municipal governments might soon start issuing bonds based on specific tax revenue tranches (eg; New York City Liquor Tax, 2011, Chicago Tobacco Tax 2011, etc.) but believe me, when cash strapped cities start to do that you will definitely hear about it.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 11:53 AM
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The American Bank Note company makes official documents.

One of the official documents they make is birth certificates.

Also mutual funds have the following:
1. A name.
2. A fund manager.
3. A ticker symbol.

For instnace:
1. "Pimco Total Return"
2. William Gross
3. PTTRX

Give me those three items for a mutual fund that is involved with the stuff you mention.


Originally posted by shuff_la
has anyone actually bothered to check whether their own birth certificate numbers have bonds attached using this method? I used my and my wife's Aussie birth certificate numbers to see a few months ago and sure enough, there are 2 bonds being traded with those numbers

Oh, so now we're talking about bonds apparently? Link to the bonds in question?

Actually you probably won't do that, because then I'd have your birth certificate number and I could steal your soul or something.

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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 12:01 PM
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All you've really got here is the fact that two numbers match.

Given that there are only a limited number of digits and letters in use, there will always be matching numbers somewhere. The idea that there's a genuine connection between documents with matching numbers may just be a fantasy.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 12:13 PM
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The video mentions the Fidelity total international equity fund.

However that fund invests in equities (surprise surprise) and not bonds so...

So that means that the person who made this video, found an equity (stock) that had the same CUSIP as the number on his birth certificate.

The company must have had an IPO when he was born


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posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 02:30 PM
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hmmm... lets see here. American Bank Note Company...

They print authenticated security documents for valuation of entities, organizations, objects, entitlements, governments, and individuals!

They Create the Officialness of the Official:




beautifully engraved unissued certificate from the Independent Order of ODD Fellows dated 190_. This historic document was printed by Friedenwald Co. and has an ornate border around it with a vignette of the state seal and an underprint of the logo "Three Link Fraternity".

In 17th century England, it was odd to find people organized for the purpose of giving aid to those in need and of pursuing projects for the benefit of all mankind. Those who belonged to such an organization were called "Odd Fellows". Odd Fellows are also known as "The Three Link Fraternity" which stands for Friendship, Love and Truth.

The Independent Order of Odd Fellows was founded on the North American Continent in Baltimore, Maryland, on April 26, 1819 when Thomas Wildey and four members of the Order from England instituted Washington Lodge No. 1. This lodge received its charter from Manchester Unity of Odd Fellows in England.

Odd Fellowship became the 1st national fraternity to include both men and women when it adopted the beautiful Rebekah Degree on September 20, 1851. This degree is based on the teachings found in the Holy Bible, and was written by the Honorable Schuyler Colfax who was Vice President of the United States during the period 1868-1873. Odd Fellows and Rebekahs were also the first fraternal organization to establish homes for our senior members and for orphaned children.

The Odd Fellows Hall in Malden, Massachusettes was built in 1907. It is an example of 20th century formal eclectic design combining Renaissance and Classical Revival elements. It has been restored into a professional office building.

The building is a registered Historical landmark as described below:

Odd Fellows Building (added 1988 - Building - #87002564) also known as Odd Fellows Temple

442 Main St., Malden

Historic Significance: Architecture/Engineering

Architect, builder, or engineer: Newhall,Louis C.

Architectural Style: Late 19th And 20th Century Revivals, Other

Area of Significance: Architecture

Period of Significance: 1900-1924

Owner: Private

Historic Function: Commerce/Trade, Social

Historic Sub-function: Meeting Hall, Specialty Store





Beautifully engraved certificate from the Royal Arcanum issued in 1892. This historic document was printed by the American Banknote Company and has an ornate border around it. This item is hand signed by the Company’s Secretary and is over 110 years old. It has been fold and shows some wear.

The Royal Arcanum is one of the oldest fraternal benefit societies in the United States and the Dominion of Canada, operating under the fraternal system, which offers many social and fraternal benefits to its members.

The Royal Arcanum is the only surviving founding member of the National Fraternal Congress of America, an organization representing over 90 fraternal benefit societies and 10 million fraternalists.

Founded with unselfish motives on the part of its creators, conducted upon sound business principles, improved by an experience of over One Hundred and Twenty years, it has all the facilities for successfully promoting its objectives.

Those objectives include:

Uniting fraternally all eligible male and female persons of sound bodily health and good moral standing, who are socially acceptable.

Giving moral and material aid in its power to its members and those dependent on them.

Teaching morality without religious distinction, patriotism without partisanship, and brotherhood without creed or class.

Educating the members socially, morally and intellectually.

Assisting the families of deceased members.

Establishing funds for the payment of Death Benefits, Educational Loans and Annuities.

The Royal Arcanum is founded on the principles of good citizenship. It promotes love of country, home and friends; the Fatherhood of God and Brotherhood of Man; faithfulness in performance of obligations of the home; honor in your dealings with mankind; generosity with those less fortunate than yourself; sympathy, kindness and consideration for the bereaved and distressed.






Beautifully engraved $1000 Treasury Uncancelled Bearer Bond from the United Stated of America issued in 1977. This historic document has an ornate border around it with a vignette of Lincoln. This item has the printed signature of the Secretary of the Treasury, William Simon. Extremely Fine-About Uncirculated. Most of these bearer have been redeemed which makes this very collectible.

This is a $1000 U.S. Treasury 30 year bearer bond issued in August 1977. Bearer bonds have not been issued by the Treasury since 1986 and all bonds issued today are in book entry form, registered to specific individuals or institutions. It comes with ten coupons affixed at bottom.






Masonic Building Association







The National Society Daughters of the American Revolution was founded on October 11, 1890. Objectives: Historical - to perpetuate the memory and spirit of the men and women who achieved American Independence; Educational - to carry out the injunction of Washington in his farewell address to the American people, "to promote, as an object of primary importance, institutions for the general diffusion of knowledge, thus developing an enlightened public opinion… " and Patriotic - to cherish, maintain and extend the institutions of American freedom, to foster true patriotism and love of country, and to aid in securing for mankind all the blessings of liberty.

The Society was incorporated under the laws of the District of Columbia June 4, 1891, and in 1896, incorporated by an Act of the United States Congress. President Grover Cleveland signed the charter. Under this Act of Incorporation, the Society reports annually to the United States Congress through the Smithsonian Institution.


This company authenticates corporations, business and banking instruments, through certifications, world wide...

Thus: the Birth Certificate must therefore be an instument created for value... the question is, how much?



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 03:40 PM
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It prints the PAPER. Most equities don't even exist in paper form any more. These pieces of paper do not legitimize anything. It's the paperwork filed with the appropriate governing body that legitimizes businesses, securities, etc.



posted on Apr, 24 2010 @ 04:25 PM
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All domestic securities traded in the market are based on CUSIP, and are 9 digits long. So maybe you're using the wrong number?

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posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:23 AM
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I have spent a fair amount of time looking into this claim that the government uses a persons birth certificate as a security to then back a bond note to obtain federal notes / legal tender , based on the estimated amount of tax that you are likely to pay in your life time .

After my searching I have found much on this topic , mostly opinions and interpretations based on some facts .

Having said that , one may claim that the expressed opinions , even though they may be based on fact are far reaching conclusions .

Does this mean that ones birth certificate is not used as a security , no .

Do the many many pages out there in web world that make the claim that , yes in deed there is something to these claims , prove that there is something to this , of course not .

One thing worth mentioning , out of all my searching I was unable to find even 1 site or article debunking the claim .

To truly answer the question as to wether ones B.C is used as a security one would have to research passed Act's and bills related to this topic to truly find the answer , but where to begin ??

As for those who chose to name call and offer nothing to advance this conversation , one way or the other , chill out and go pick on the kids in the UFO forum for a bit , would yah ?




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posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:48 AM
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Here is the most detailed report on this topic ...

A certificate is a "paper establishing an ownership claim." - Barron's Dictionary of Banking Terms. Registration of births began in 1915, by the Bureau of Census, with all states adopting the practice by 1933.

Birth and marriage certificates are a form of securities called "warehouse receipts." The items included on a warehouse receipt, as descried at §7-202 of the Uniform Commercial Code, the law which governs commercial paper and transactions, which parallel a birth or marriage certificate are:

-the location of the warehouse where the goods are stored...(residence)
-the date of issue of the receipt.....("Date issued")
-the consecutive number of the receipt...(found on back or front of the certificate, usually in red numbers)
-a description of the goods or of the packages containing them...(name, sex, date of birth, etc.)
-the signature of the warehouseman, which may be made by his authorized agent...(municipal clerk or state registrar's signature)
Birth/marriage certificates now appear to at least qualify as "warehouse receipts" under the Uniform Commercial Code. Black's Law Dictionary, 7th ed. defines:

warehouse receipt. "...A warehouse receipt, which is considered a document of title, may be a negotiable instrument and is often used for financing with inventory as security."

Since the U.S. went bankrupt in 1933, all new money has to be borrowed into existence. All states started issuing serial-numbered, certificated "warehouse receipts" for births and marriages in order to pledge us as collateral against those loans and municipal bonds taken out with the Federal Reserve's banks. The "Full faith and Credit" of the American people is said to be that which back the nation's debt. That simply means the American people's ability to labor and pay back that debt. In order to catalog its laborers, the government needed an efficient, methodical system of tracking its property to that end. Humans today are looked upon merely as resources - "human resources," that is.

Governmental assignment of a dollar value to the heads of citizens began on July 14, 1862 when President Lincoln offered 6 percent interest bearing-bonds to states who freed their slaves on a "per head" basis. This practice of valuating humans (cattle?) continues today with our current system of debt-based currency reliant upon a steady stream of fresh new chattels to back it.

Additional Birth Certificate Research

Federal Children

by Joyce Rosenwald

In 1921, the federal Sheppard-Towner Maternity Act created the birth "registration" or what we now know as the "birth certificate." It was known as the "Maternity Act" and was sold to the American people as a law that would reduce maternal and infant mortality, protect the health of mothers and infants, and for "other purposes." One of those other purposes provided for the establishment of a federal bureau designed to cooperate with state agencies in the overseeing of its operations and expenditures. What it really did was create a federal birth registry which exists today, creating "federal children." This government, under the doctrine of "Parens Patriae," now legislates for American children as if they are owned by the federal government. Through the public school enrollment process and continuing license requirements for most aspects of daily life, these children grow up to be adults indoctrinated into the process of asking for "permission" from Daddy government to do all those things necessary to carry out daily activities that exist in what is called a "free country."

Before 1921 the records of births and names of children were entered into family bibles, as were the records of marriages and deaths. These records were readily accepted by both the family and the law as "official" records. Since 1921 the American people have been registering the births and names of their children with the government of the state in which they are born, even though there is no federal law requiring it. The state tells you that registering your child's birth through the birth certificate serves as proof that he/she was born in the united States , thereby making him/her a United States Citizen. For the past several years a social security number has been mandated by the federal government to be issued at birth.

In 1933, bankruptcy was declared by President Roosevelt. The governors of the then 48 States pledged the "full faith and credit" of their states, including the citizenry, as collateral for loans of credit from the Federal Reserve system. To wit:"Full faith and credit" clause of Const. U.S. article 4. sec. 1, requires that foreign judgement be given such faith and credit as it had by law or usage of state of it's origin. That foreign statutes are to have force and effect to which they are entitled in home state. And that a judgement or record shall have the same faith, credit, conclusive effect, and obligatory force in other states as it has by law or usage in the state from whence taken.
Black's Law Dictionary, 4th Ed. cites omitted.

The state claims an interest in every child within it's jurisdiction. The state will, if it deems it necessary, nullify your parental rights and appoint a guardian (trustee) over your children. The subject of every birth certificate is a child. The child is a valuable asset, which if properly trained, can contribute valuable assets provided by its labor for many years. It is presumed by those who have researched this issue, that the child itself is the asset of the trust established by the birth certificate, and the social security number is the numbering or registration of the trust, allowing for the assets of the trust to be tracked. If this information is true, your child is now owned by the state. Each one of us, including our children, are considered assets of the bankrupt united states. We are now designated by this government as "HUMAN RESOURCES," with a new crop born every year."

In 1923, a suit was brought against federal officials charged with the administration of the maternity act, who were citizens of another state, to enjoin them from enforcing it, wherein the plaintiff averred that the act was unconstitutional, and that it's purpose was to induce the States to yield sovereign rights reserved by them through the federal Constitution's 10th amendment and not granted to the federal government, and that the burden of the appropriations falls unequally upon the several States, held, that, as the statute does not require the plaintiff to do or yield anything, and as no burden is imposed by it other than that of taxation, which falls, not on the State but on her inhabitants, who are within the federal as well as the state taxing power, the complaint resolves down to the naked contention that Congress has usurped reserved powers of the States by the mere enactment of the statute, though nothing has been, or is to be, done under it without their consent (Commonwealth of Massachusetts vs. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury, et al.; Frothingham v. Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury et.al..) Mr. Alexander Lincoln, Assistant Attorney General, argued for the Commonwealth of Massachusetts . To wit:

I. The act is unconstitutional. It purports to vest in agencies of the Federal Government powers which are almost wholly undefined, in matters relating to maternity and infancy, and to authorize appropriations of federal funds for the purposes of the act.

Many examples may be given and were stated in the debates on the bill in Congress of regulations which may be imposed under the act. THE FORCED REGISTRATION OF PREGNANCY, GOVERNMENTAL PRENATAL EXAMINATION OF EXPECTANT MOTHERS, RESTRICTIONS ON THE RIGHT OF A WOMAN TO SECURE THE SERVICES OF A MIDWIFE OR PHYSICIAN OF HER OWN SELECTION, are measures to which the people of those States which accept its provisions may be subjected. There is nothing which prohibits the payment of subsidies out of federal appropriations. INSURANCE OF MOTHERS MAY BE MADE COMPULSORY. THE TEACHING OF BIRTH CONTROL AND PHYSICAL INSPECTION OF PERSONS ABOUT TO MARRY MAY BE REQUIRED.

By section 4 of the act, the Children's Bureau is given all necessary powers to cooperate with the state agencies in the administration of the act. Hence it is given the power to assist in the enforcement of the plans submitted to it, and for that purpose by its agents to go into the several States and to do those acts for which the plans submitted may provide. As to what those plans shall provide, the final arbiters are the Bureau and the Board. THE FACT THAT IT WAS CONSIDERED NECESSARY IN EXPLICIT TERMS TO PRESERVE FROM INVASION BY FEDERAL OFFICIALS THE RIGHT OF THE PARENT TO THE CUSTODY AND CARE OF HIS CHILD AND THE SANCTITY OF HIS HOME SHOWS HOW FAR REACHING ARE THE POWERS WHICH WERE INTENDED TO BE GRANTED BY THE ACT.

(1) The act is invalid because it assumes powers not granted to Congress and usurps the local police power. McCulloch v. Maryland , 4 Wheat. 316, 405; United States v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542, 549-551.

In more recent cases, however, the Court has shown that there are limits to the power of Congress to pass legislation purporting to be based on one of the powers expressly granted to Congress which in fact usurps the reserved powers of the States, and that laws showing on their face detailed regulation of a matter wholly within the police power of the States will be held to be unconstitutional although they purport to be passed in the exercise of some constitutional power. Hammer v. Dagenhart, 247 U.S. 251; Child Labor Tax Case, 259 U.S. 20; Hill v. Wallace, 259 U.S. 44.

The act is not made valid by the circumstance that federal powers are to be exercised only with respect to those States which accept the act, for Congress cannot assume, and state legislatures cannot yield, the powers reserved to the States by the Constitution. Message of President Monroe, May 4, 1822 ; 4 Elliot's Debates, p. 525; Pollard's Lessee v. Hagan, 3 How. 212; Escanaba Co. v. Chicago , 107 U.S. 678; Coyle v. Oklahoma , 221 U.S. 559; Cincinnati v. Louisville & Nashville R.R. Co., 223 U.S. 390.

(2) The act is invalid because it imposes on each State an illegal option either to yield a part of its powers reserved by the Tenth Amendment or to give up its share of appropriations under the act. A statute attempting, by imposing conditions upon a general privilege, to exact a waiver of a constitutional right, is null and void. Harrison v. St. Louis & San Francisco R.R. Co., 232 U.S. 318; Terral v. Burke Construction Co., 257 U.S. 529.

(3) The act is invalid because it sets up a system of government by cooperation between the Federal Government and certain of the States, not provided by the Constitution. Congress cannot make laws for the States, and it cannot delegate to the States the power to make laws for the United States . In re Rahrer, 140 U.S. 545; Knickerbocker Ice Co. v. Stewart, 253 U.S. 149; Opinion of the Justices, 239 Mass. 606.



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posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 02:54 AM
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The most detailed report that I was able to find anyway .



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 08:35 AM
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Actually, all you have to do is call Fidelity and ask to purchase a portfolio of birth certificates. When he stops laughing, confront him with the "evidence."



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:18 AM
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Ok you doubters out there, get ready for a shock. Go to lawguru.com to the dictionary section, and look up the definition for certificate.


CERTIFICATE

practice. A writing made in any court, and properly
authenticated, to give notice to another court of anything done therein;
or it is a writing by which an officer or other person bears testimony that
a fact has or has not taken place.

2. There are two kinds of certificates; those required by the law, and those
which are merely voluntary. Of the first kind are certificates given to
an insolvent of his discharge, and those given to aliens, that they have
been naturalized. Voluntary certificates are those which are not required
by law, but which are given of the mere motion of the party. The former
are evidence of the facts therein mentioned, while the latter are not entitled
to any credit, because the factscertified, may be proved in the usual way
under the solemnity of an oath or affirmation. 2 Com. Dig. 306; Ayl. Parerg.
157; Greenl. Ev. 498.

Source: Bouviers Law Dictionary 1856 Edition

There ya go, right out of the law dictionary. You are insolvent. Look up discharge. The debt has not been satisfied.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:42 AM
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Birth certificates were not issued in 1856, so the definition is obsolete, or at least incomplete. It is correct in that a certificate is a legal document that attests to a fact, eg; the fact of a birth or death. Do you suppose there is a trade in death certificates?



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:51 AM
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I couldn't find mine. (Old enough that my name on my BC is capital and lower case letters but not so on my SS Card) I guess I am just worthless.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 09:52 AM
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Originally posted by Aeons
www.tpuc.org...

on this thread on that board there is a member named "common sense" who explains a bit about this.


Since no one seems to have clicked and read this man's post, I am going to quote it here.

So that you can see that you are being had.



Re: Value of birthcert on the stock exchange
by CommonSense on Thu Jun 04, 2009 3:48 pm

OK People. I am a stock broker, and hold numerous securities licensing. I understand funds and felt the need to comment because this was getting a little out of control.
Scot A I think this was you, actually I think it was also Chippers 8 month old son and Brassers (PS I dont think you were all born in the same year).. The information below... To clarify people, this is a Fidelity Fund that was established in 2007, so unless you were born in 2007 I dont think this is "your" money. This fund is a retirement fund to people that want to invest in the fund. Basically the $25,000 is the initial investment a person wishing to purchase the fund must give to invest in this fund. 2036 is the date of retirement so if people were looking to retire in 2036 they may invest in this fund so it is appropriate for the money they need for retirement.
Everyone keeps talking birth year and that the number belongs to many people and that maybe its people were born in that year..For Example this was a post I saw "Are'nt you likely to pay as much tax as anyone else born in the same year???? If so, surely your bond is as valuable as anyone else born in that year???? If so, wouldnt it make sence to trade everyones bond who was born in a given year as a group????? A- No, you do not pay the same amount of taxes if you were born in the same year, your tax bracket is determined by how much money you make.. the rich have a higher bracket than do the poor. This whole conspiracy says that you are assigned $600K - $1mm for your birth certificate, if there are numerous people that are in this fund the assets would be a lot more than a little over $1m.
A mutual fund is a fund or pool of various stocks and bonds so the portfolio is diversified reducing an investors risk. If you were to research exactly what is held in the fund you may; it consists of equity funds like international equity, small cap, and mid cap. It also has bonds in there consisting of strategic bonds and capital and income bonds (bonds are debt that people purchase of corporations and the government hoping to receive a small % in quarterly income and then at the at expiration principal investment is returned). The fund even consists of short term assets aka cash equivalents. You can see exactly what is in this fund, none of it being birth certificates.
The class of the fund simply means if the person pays the expense fees up front, over the life of the fund, or on the back when you sell the fund. Class C shares are a type of level-load fund. This class works well for individuals who will be redeeming shares in the short term.
As far as the name of the person or "owner" goes this is the person that manages the fund, who decides what stocks and bonds to buy and sell in the fund based on market cycle.. no one is owned by anyone.
Dividends are usually monthly, quarterly, semi, annual dates predetermined for when the company gives a peice back to the fund holders which can be looked up on the company. For example, to stay on the same fund the dividend dates for this fund are 2/26/2009, 3/30/2009, 4/29/2009, 5/28/2009.
Please go to the following site to see how CUSIPS are created and what they represent en.wikipedia.org...
Financial Instrument is anything used to invest. For example, when i ask a client what financial instrument they are using as collateral in a loan it could be a stock portfolio, bonds, CDs, Funds, money markets, etc. When you ask a client the entity that will back that that simply means will we be titling the account as an LLC, Corporation, Individual, Jointly, etc. By registering securities you are following the laws of the securities exchanges that the money is free from anti-money laundering, illegal funds, etc. and setting up the security to be traded and overlooked by all the legal agencies that were created a while back to prevent manipulation in the market.
Not to get your hopes up, these are not your funds they are Fidelity's you are not part of this fund. Dont you think its funny that everyone is registered with Fidelity? There are many many other fund companies; Eaton Vance, Ivy, Ing, Evergreen, etc... you have all mentioned manipulating numbers in some way to make some fund come up on Fidelity.. Please do your homework and look up how CUSIPS are created.
I welcome you to go to Fidelity and say "Well I just did the Fidelity Birth Cert thing..Then the Cusip thing..." or "How do I de-register and claim my fund" .. you would be laughed out of the office. The money is not yours, its the money that thousands of hard working people are investing in the market.. Sorry to burst your bubble but this conversation was getting a little out of control.. I hope this helps (I put the fund information to reference my points below)
All Seeing eye - You are correct Knowledge is Power, therefore I would go do some research on how markets work and the ABCs of Investing.. Because I am sorry to say, there is a lot of knowledge lacking in these conversations.
Symbol: FURTX
CUSIP: 31617K147
Fund Number: 1949
Minimum Initial Investment: $25,000
Inception Date: 8/30/2007
Fiscal Year End: July
Annnualized Turnover Rate: 48.00% as of 1/2009
Net Assets: $249,755.99 as of 5/31/2009
Portfolio Assets: $1,022,528.73 as of 5/31/2009



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:35 AM
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Originally posted by DJW001
reply to post by ErnestT
 


Birth certificates were not issued in 1856, so the definition is obsolete, or at least incomplete. It is correct in that a certificate is a legal document that attests to a fact, eg; the fact of a birth or death. Do you suppose there is a trade in death certificates?


The definitions are the same today (look at new version). Also, your death certificate is given to inform, the debt is not satisfied.
Legal difinitions don't change, laws and contracts are made using them, changing definitions would change law and contracts.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 11:47 AM
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Originally posted by Max_TO
reply to post by Aeons
 


The harm that I see from this is that it shows that we are not citizens of a country but rather a commodity of a corporation


Yes, America does seem to be waking up....America is a Corporation, your State is a Corporation, your Town is a Corporation, and you, friend, are a Corporation. Thank you President Lincoln, thank you Federal Reserve Bank, thank you World Bank, thank you Rothschild Family, thank you Rockefeller Family, thank you Rich Elite. Thank you Banking Cartel. You made me into a slave to you, and a simple commodity to be traded on the International Market.

Is is any wonder Americans are pissed off at their government? How long do we let this happen? Look at your children, friend, do you want them to have a better life than you did? Take out your billfold, and look at your money. "Federal Reserve Note" right there at the top. A "Note" is a bill, friend, and for every dollar you have in there, you owe back to the FED, plus interest! Feel better now?

Time to WAKE UP! Read each link carefully, for this is all about the Serpent that runs the entire world, right before your very eyes.

PRESIDENT JOHN F. KENNEDY (Our Hero)

Structure of the Birth Certificate - Did the State Pledge Your Body to a Bank?

Billions for the Bankers, Debt for the People The Real Story of the Money-Control Over America

Abolish the Federal Reserve! by Rep. Ron Paul, MD

Quotes on Banking and the Federal Reserve

The Root of All Evil - the LOVE of Money!

The Money Changers: The Federal Reserve, Robbery by Deceit

House Of Rothschild: No One Can Understand What Has Happened To The Planet Without Reading This

Now we can either keep right on IGNORING this, or we can back Congressman Paul in abolishing the Federal Reserve Bank forever, and getting our economy back on track.
Of course history will have to be re-written, but it is time for the truth to be known.
I want each of you to remember this post when you go into the voting booth.



posted on Apr, 25 2010 @ 12:50 PM
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Some of your links are disturbing.

www.jesus-is-savior.com?

Give me a break, no one owns you, do something to benefit yourself in life instead of crying about what has been taken away from you.





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