Why More U.S. Expatriates Are Turning In Their Passports

America ...Love it or leave it...!

Well I left it several years ago...it was bad then, now it only getting worse.!

Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Hey Proto didn't you post once that you lived in Florida?

If so why haven't you made the great migration abroad yet?

Oh! please do.

I live in the lovely City/State and Banana Republic of Miami Slayer. It is only nominally under control of the U.S., you know kind of like Iraq and Afghanistan! Ouch that hurt!

Would you like Time Magazine that posted the article to leave too? Shut down for being a subversive anti-American publication?

Things are broke, whether you want to pretend they don’t need fixing or not!

More and more, INDEPENDENT minded Americans, who want to put the INDEPENDENCE back in the Declaration of Independence are of that mind.

It’s a daunting task to be sure, with a huge bureaucracy and increasingly powerful and intrusive security apparatus to back it up, and a huge corporate media propaganda machine to promote the perverted notions, of freedom, justice, liberty and equality that are being trampled on daily.

Some of us are down for, and up to the task! Little wonder an invitation would be extended for them to clear out!

25,000,000.00 all in 20’s, non-sequential bills, and a copy of this month’s Vanity Fair, and I will consider it!

The Vanity Fair by the way is to beat over the head of the fool who delivers the money that thinks Proto can be bought or intimidated!

The good news is, no matter where I live, I will always occupy a rent free space in your head!

Thanks for posting!


[edit on 21/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Originally posted by ProtoplasmicTraveler

It’s a daunting task to be sure, with a huge bureaucracy and increasingly powerful and intrusive security apparatus to back it up, and a huge corporate media propaganda machine to promote the perverted notions, of freedom, justice, liberty and equality that are being trampled on daily.

Sounds eerily like what they were saying in 1930's Germany

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Sounds eerily like what they were saying in 1930's Germany

There are already way to many disturbing similiarities.

The sad truth is, is all it takes is a population that has been stripped of all it's wealth, like the Germans were through hyper-infaltion, and then someone to start feeding them doses, of ego, pride and destiny, as a substitute!

Turn back on the money tap gradually as you go along, and the next thing you have is a nation on the rampage.

Our family plans to move along too. The healthcare fascism that's about to be shoved down our throats was the last straw.

We're just tired of screwy taxes (but every country has them).

And a few other things like:
-Living tax, i.e. new HealthCare laws that only make private insurance cats fatter and charge us to simply breath air.

-Gestapo police with their tazer pain compliance toys run amuck with ever increasing frequency.

-Domestic spying (NSA)- on levels never dreamed up before.

-Unaccountable crooks who are starting and maintaining wars in our name.

-911, which we've concluded was indeed an inside job and with this conclusion have asked ourselves how we can feel safe in a country that does this to its own people!

-How everything is illegal here now.

-How the citizens are treated like children by the gov.

-How unaccountable the gov has become to everything.

-How big pharmaceutical companies have cornered the prices of medications for young and old alike and made it illegal for people to buy those medications from abroad.

-How a central bank (IRS)has been spawned into a intelligence collection agency and will be monitoring who pays what to the private insurance industry that way all proper knee hooks get licked.

-A government that allows private prisons to turn a profit off of prisoners (most of which have committed no violent act) and insures that more and more will be filling those prisons with excessive prison sentences for minor offences.

-How lobbying laws have been changed back to "Richest Corporation Takes All" and therefore decides the new laws that we are expected to live by or should we find ourselves in the previously mentioned prisons to turn a profit for the system yet again.

-How foreign lobbys like AIPAC are allowed to influence our elected (I use the elected word mockingly) officials and many of those officials can have memberships in those foreign lobbys and not be considered biased in the extreme to foreign policy done again in our names.

-Having a Central Intelligence Agency that is regularly conducting crimes against humanity (Iran Contra, etc.) and destabalizing world peace at every turn. They're caught regularly but remain unaccountable.

-Having laptop computers (Diebold) that are being used to rig elections, thereby eliminating a useless paper trail for a recount.

-An FBI/ATF being used to flush out and kill subversives whether real or imagined.

-DOE (Department of Energy)which is used to hunt down and kill citizens who crack the free energy code or other alternative forms of fueling.

Given another hour of thought I could come up with another 20 reasons or so but let's just save some bandwidth here.

I wonder if some of those living abroad are fearful that the IRS will come after them for not buying stateside health insurance for themselves? I'm not sure if the IRS willl pursue them but it most be a worry I'm sure.

This sounds more like just positive propaganda for Australia than it does a real news story

No one likes taxes but we pat the to keep up our schools and roads etc...
if someone is abroad like in Australia and they have a career home and life there why not make the move permanent. but come on, to say you cant keep on top of your taxes is just a cop out and a pretty lame excuse.

So Australia and maybe a few other countries accept poor accounting practices as an excuse to immigrate there. makes your country sound so much better. but do they really want people who cant keep on top of their taxes in the first place? or are places struggling with a huge influx of Asian immigrates trying anything to keep things more... working class white?

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Except for the fact that Time Magazine of Time/Warner/CNN and American on Line wrote the article.

Nor were the people who interviewed just in Australia, but other third world countries like Switzerland.

Visa will get you anywhere you really want to be.

Reading the article before you post? Priceless!

Originally posted by DaddyBare
This sounds more like just positive propaganda for Australia than it does a real news story

No one likes taxes but we pat the to keep up our schools and roads etc...
if someone is abroad like in Australia and they have a career home and life there why not make the move permanent. but come on, to say you cant keep on top of your taxes is just a cop out and a pretty lame excuse.

So Australia and maybe a few other countries accept poor accounting practices as an excuse to immigrate there. makes your country sound so much better. but do they really want people who cant keep on top of their taxes in the first place? or are places struggling with a huge influx of Asian immigrates trying anything to keep things more... working class white?

Are you serious - Are you serious Roads and schools. its called Property taxes and Gas tax. We all pay them because we all benefit from the resources. I know my Explorer does its damage to the road and I am more than willing to pay for its upkeep through my choice to use said road. That kind of Tax doesn't affect someone abroad and they don't get to enjoy the upkeep of the road. You know the "Tax" that is being discussed here and your skirting it with gas and property which actually provide something and are completely voluntary.

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Most Roads are maintained or built by State and Federal Sales Taxes on Gasoline.

By the way in the small unincorporated township where I spent my early childhood, the people who used the road that connected to the main county/State road, would all chip in to get it recovered after the winter.

If they waited on the state to do it, the pot holes would claim axles and tires.

Further, most roads, older roads, not part of the Interstate System were actually first build by locals at their own expense.

There was a time in America if you wanted a road, you built it yourself.

The dirt and gravel lane, my child hood home was built on, was carved out of pristine wilderness by hand, by my grandfather, nearly a half mile into the woods.

Roads aren't that hard or expensive to build until you get contractors involved who know they can milk the government for big cash.

Medicine isn't that expensive until you get the government and insurance companies involved you can milk for big cash.

All these little things, are in fact made huge in expense, to develop the collective, we need government, we need insurance mentality, that then enslaves us to government and insurance.

America didn't used to be a nation of helpless people.

One thing is for sure, the more helpless a person is, the more they are going to be taken advantage of and the more they are going to pay for it!



[edit on 21/4/10 by ProtoplasmicTraveler]

Hello Proto. As always I appreciate your well stated, easy-to-understand ideas. You are truly a master at English linguistics (a rarity in these days with all the NuSpeak).

This somehow did not shock me at all to read. If I could up and make a living somewhere else, believe me there are 1000 places I could think to go right now (none of them on the North American mainland). Sadly, I do not have the resources to pull off such a feat.

I think it is very sad that so many people are having to hand in their birthrights to live on American soil just because THE UNITED STATES, Inc. is so frivilously spending its money. It does make sense though. Make every citizen of THE UNITED STATES, Inc. so reliant on aforementioned corporation that we see no way to live without them. Brilliant! Create a corporation where people pay YOU to work there, even when they're on vacation! I guess the American citizens abroad are starting to open their eyes. We can only hope the citizens at home start to realize what's going on too.


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I think it is very sad that so many people are having to hand in their birthrights to live on American soil just because THE UNITED STATES, Inc. is so frivilously spending its money. It does make sense though. Make every citizen of THE UNITED STATES, Inc. so reliant on aforementioned corporation that we see no way to live without them. Brilliant! Create a corporation where people pay YOU to work there, even when they're on vacation! I guess the American citizens abroad are starting to open their eyes. We can only hope the citizens at home start to realize what's going on too.

Thank you my friend. Perspective is everything, and for many people born and raised in America, who have known no other way of life, being told they are the freest citizens on earth, is a wonderful, and comforting notion, and even a source of pride.

After all, you don’t really have anything else to gauge that against. That is until you do start to travel abroad, especially to other first world nations, but even some third world nations, have and offer great lifestyles and freedoms to people, who have initiative and work hard.

The more expensive and intrusive our government becomes, and the more restrictive it is when it comes to regulating everything from the food we eat, to the clothes we wear, to the entertainment we watch, to how we even conduct ourselves sexually, the more it is going to become obvious to those people, who then have an opportunity to be elsewhere for an extended period and enjoy how people with more freedoms live.

When you don’t know any better, you just don’t know any better.

It is though a very disturbing trend, to see Americans realizing this. It should not and does not have to be that way.

Sure there are always going to be people less free, and with less material wealth, and fewer opportunities, but the truth is, we have been on a troubling trend to looking increasingly at the lowest common denominator in the world, to maintain our illusion of wealth and freedom, instead of looking at the highest common denominators.

I guess there might come a day, when Americans decide they would rather have freedom, real freedom versus excuses.

It appears that day has already begun arriving for more and more.

Thanks for your wonderfully written and thoughtful post.

reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler


Hold on let me get this straight! So these folks are giving up their US citizenship and moving to other 'socialist' countries like Australia and some European countries because america is moving to 'socialist' for them? People seriously open your eyes!

You do know that Australia has a 'socialist' universal healthcare system? You do know the tax rates in Australian and European countries don't you? You do know the gun laws in Australian and European countries ar more tightened right?

I mean don't get me wrong. I am happy that you fellas find these socialist utopia's an alternative to what you see as a 'socialist' take over in America. Its just amazing how hypocritical it is?

I mean unless you were talking about Turkey (the only other country besides the US without singlepayer/universal healthcare) or the anarchists paradise Somalia, moving to any country because you find the US to restrictive is utter hypocrisy. So if you choose to live in Europe, Australia, New Zealand or Canada because you feel this government is infringing upon your freedoms, you gotta get your facts straight!

Reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

The saddest part is that the citizens (let's call it what it is "corporate property") here are so distracted by political divisiveness and issues like illegal immigration and healthcare that they fail to recognize the type of environ they live it. The Romans have certainly done an expert job at spreading complacency.

I wanted to expand on this point a bit: The biggest hurdle we will hit, should we decide to restore freedom is the large population that is forced to live on welfare. Thanks to the Federal Reserve (partial owner of THE UNITED STATES, Inc.) we have seen skyrocketed inflation since the Great Depression. With the advent of health insurance, auto insurance, pet insurance, ad infinitum the price of basic services we require to live has shot up out of control. So many people are forced to rely on government kickbacks it has practically become a way to basically pay off the population so they are willing to give up their freedoms quitely. I don't despise anyone for being on welfare. I know a lot of people on welfare. They're not on welfare because they want to be, but because they have to be. I give credit where credit is due. People on welfare need it because TPTB (Rome) have forced them into no other choice.

Thank you Proto for all of your excellent posts. You have opened my eyes considerably. I hope one day to meet you face to face so I can bask in your glow lol.


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Originally posted by warequalsmurder
We're just tired of screwy taxes (but every country has them).

Exactly. Infact you'd find that incomparison to Europe and Australia/New Zealand, the United states is a cake walk over taxes. It does not make sense to run away to those countries for that reason.

HealthCare laws that only make private insurance cats fatter and charge us to simply breath air.

Do you support government run healthcare? Because aside from the United states and Turkey, the rest of the world has government run healthcare.

Gestapo police with their tazer

Police abuse occurs in many other western countries. Police in the UK and Australia already carry tasers.

Domestic spying (NSA)- on levels never dreamed up before.

The US already has an intelligence agreement with Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Its no longer merely domestic spying. Dont get me wrong I agree with you on the issue, but moving countries will not solve that issue.

Unaccountable crooks who are starting and maintaining wars in our name.

I wholly agree, but then again the England and Australia participated along. Most European countries aside from France had their troops tin Iraq at one time or another . Escaping to those countries will change the involvement in the wars.

-How everything is illegal here now.

Name them and I'd bet my bottom dollar you could find the same comparison in the rest of the western world. Escaping to Australia because your whining about having a gun licence doesnt make sense considering Australia's gun laws in comparison.

-How the citizens are treated like children by the gov.

Name the laws and you'll find most other western nations have them in place as well.

How a central bank (IRS)

Have you heard of the Australian reserve? The HM revenue of the United Kingdom? The IRD of New Zealand? I could go on.

Look, to conclude, running off to other western countries to escape what you see as restrictive will get you away from that fact.

To all of you who are leaving, I say good luck to you. Good luck finding a place where there are no taxes and where there is no government.

It's getting a bit crowded here anyway.

I suggest maybe Iran? Or North Korea? Or perhaps, Yemen? Somalia?

Write and let us know how this works for you. But before you go, I want you to repay me for the tax money I spent on Educating you and your children.

You owe me.

[edit on 21-4-2010 by Avamarguy]

Originally posted by Avamarguy
To all of you who are leaving, I say good luck to you. Good luck finding a place where there are no taxes and where there is no government.

Exactly. Its funny as heck how clueless these people are. Escaping to another socialist country because the United states is turning... socialist?

Reply to post by Avamarguy

I don't have any children and I've paid my fair share of taxes. I don't plan on leaving. I really can't. I might move to Guam or Puerto Rico one day though. You're right, there's not much to choose from these days. Most of the countries have signed their citizenry and themselves over to Rome.


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For those looking into leaving the states, don't bother with Australia or Europe... although Australia has some beautiful places to live and is still probably a lot better than the USA, the cost of living and taxes are even worse than in the US. South America is the place to look into for cheap, simple, quality living right now.
I'm on my way to Ecuador as we speak, been looking it over for about a year now, particularly the southern half of Ecuador... I suggest doing some research if interested.

[edit on 21/4/10 by Navieko]

Originally posted by Southern Guardian
reply to post by ProtoplasmicTraveler

 

Hold on let me get this straight!

So these folks are giving up their US citizenship and moving to other 'socialist' countries like Australia and some European countries because america is moving to 'socialist' for them?

People seriously open your eyes!

You do know that Australia has a 'socialist' universal healthcare system? You do know the tax rates in Australian and European countries don't you? You do know the gun laws in Australian and European countries ar more tightened right?

America isn't socialist. It is fascist.

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If only I could turn in my passport, then I would move to southern mexico and apply for citizenship but times are hard and it seems like its only going to get worse from here on out.