First, the term is "Launch-Entry Suit," not spacesuit.
In fact, two changes were made on the LES because of my input through Astronauts Eileen Collins and Terry Wilcutt, who happen to be friends of mine.
I am familiar with space shuttle procedures.
The Sky Was Black On The Moon?, page 8
reply posted on 20-4-2010 @ 09:51 PM by Devino
reply to post by Deaf Alien
I don't know if this has been addressed in the previous posts because I couldn't handle reading anymore of these replies.
The Sky Was Black On The Moon?
How could this be, you ask?
The sky, as seen on the Moon, is black because it does not have an atmosphere. Earth's sky is blue because of its atmosphere. This is an extremely easy connection to make.
OK, now what about the stars?
The reason no stars are visible is because these images were taken on the Moon during the day (Lunar day). How many stars do you see in the sky here on Earth during the day? I would guess it's the same number that we all see, zero!
For those that don't know how long a Lunar day is, it's the same length as a Lunar month here on Earth.
All of the Astronaut's missions on the Moon were done on the near side and during the Lunar daytime. I find this very hard to believe you missed this. The reason we don't see stars during the day here on Earth isn't because of the atmosphere but because of the Sun. This should also be an easy connection to make.
I don't know if this has been addressed in the previous posts because I couldn't handle reading anymore of these replies.
The Sky Was Black On The Moon?
How could this be, you ask?
The sky, as seen on the Moon, is black because it does not have an atmosphere. Earth's sky is blue because of its atmosphere. This is an extremely easy connection to make.
OK, now what about the stars?
The reason no stars are visible is because these images were taken on the Moon during the day (Lunar day). How many stars do you see in the sky here on Earth during the day? I would guess it's the same number that we all see, zero!
For those that don't know how long a Lunar day is, it's the same length as a Lunar month here on Earth.
All of the Astronaut's missions on the Moon were done on the near side and during the Lunar daytime. I find this very hard to believe you missed this. The reason we don't see stars during the day here on Earth isn't because of the atmosphere but because of the Sun. This should also be an easy connection to make.
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 12:20 AM by Drow Ingpool
I am just gonna throw this out there...
NASA does not want you to see anything but black and White and Grey...
Take LunaCognita's Video.
NASA: PROOF of image tampering
www.youtube.com...
just my 2cents
NASA does not want you to see anything but black and White and Grey...
Take LunaCognita's Video.
NASA: PROOF of image tampering
www.youtube.com...
just my 2cents
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 04:34 AM by wmd_2008
reply to post by Tie No Bows!
TRY it for yourself with a camera on manual setting 125th second at about f8 or f11 take a picture of the Moon see how many stars you see.
Then on a trypod try a long exposure say 16 secs at f2.8 or wider see how washed out moon will be and see if any stars show!
Look at an astrophotography site look at moon pics look at exposure settings then look at star pics and look at exposure settings its simple
TRY it for yourself with a camera on manual setting 125th second at about f8 or f11 take a picture of the Moon see how many stars you see.
Then on a trypod try a long exposure say 16 secs at f2.8 or wider see how washed out moon will be and see if any stars show!
Look at an astrophotography site look at moon pics look at exposure settings then look at star pics and look at exposure settings its simple
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 06:09 AM by spikey
reply to post by Deaf Alien
OK Deaf Alien.
I have an hypothesis, and i'm willing to bet MOST people are really not going to like or agree with it, but i have a thick skin, so let's have at it...
There is, and has been a secret space programme since the late 1940's, spearheaded and controlled by the USA and aided and abetted by other allied nations.
The bulk of the early advanced technology was derived from captured German WW2 technology at the end of the war, who in turn derived their technology from discovered ET craft, that had crashed on Earth millennia ago.
The Germans/NAZI's scoured the planet during the late 30's and early 40's searching for ancient and alien technology..and found what they were looking for. (read Vrill society, Adm. Byrd Antarctica expedition, NAZI bell experiments, etc.)
As the decades went by, the US together with allies, improved on the captured German stuff, and kept it shrouded in secrecy all the while, making a great show of 'conventional' rocket technology to the congress and the world at large, as a smokescreen to cover the real space programme.
This would have two desired outcomes; The concealment of the real technology, and to prod the rest of the world towards developing conventional rocketry technology for their own space and weapons systems, rather than pursuing the ultra advanced designs used in the covert programme.
In accordance with these aims of maintaining the elaborate cover, and with the advent of the Soviet Sputnik and first manned rocket launches, it became necessary for the USA et al, to ramp up the stakes.
A manned moon mission.
NOW..here's where my hypothesis properly kicks in.
The astronaut selection and training programme selected personnel from military men, who had the advantage of being under security and secrecy oaths, should they discover anything they were not meant to, they would be less likely to open their mouths. They also had a secret selection criteria.
One criteria that was used to select all potential astronauts, was psychology testing...this is reasonable of course, but the main component of this psych testing was never revealed...and all selected flight personnel had this attribute in common.
The ability to be easily and completely hypnotised.
Not all people have this. A lot of people are not susceptible to hypnotism, so this was an essential component of astronaut selection, in order to maintain the real space programme cover.
The rockets were designed and built and were real. They flew and achieved low Earth orbit, carrying a crew and could return them to Earth.
They had to be able to do this of course, or else the world would probably go off in another direction of space fight research, which was a possibility the US couldn't afford if it wanted to maintain it's technological superiority.
During the moon missions, ALL of the astronauts were hypnotised some time in advance of the moon mission launch date (in conjunction with MK-ULTRA programming) to believe they were on the moon, when in fact they were in a huge film studio 'sound stage' building, mock up of the moons surface, attached to wires to simulate low G.
This explains the photographic anomalies and the peculiar astronauts testimony regarding not 'remembering' exactly what they did on the moon, and seeing pitch black skies, and not 'remembering' seeing any stars from the moon's surface.
The astronauts actually believed they were on the moon.
Meanwhile, the real space programme had been visiting the moon, Mars, and elsewhere for years, and it was this programme that returned the bulk of the lunar rock samples to Earth, and placed experiments on the lunar surface in order to back up the planned phoney rocket missions for Earth based researchers to 'marvel at'.
After the fake mission photos and film was shot in the sound stage was 'in the can' and deemed to be a convincing (for the era) version of events, the actual rocket launches took place, were filmed and were 'Oooh'd and Arrr'd at by the world.
The faked. previously shot footage and telemetry was then inserted and fed to the mission control monitors and ground based personnel were none the wiser. To their eyes, the ground control instruments were telling them the mission was proceeding perfectly (of course), so would suspect nothing.
Even a faked crisis in the form of Apollo 13 (conveniently unlucky for some), would further focus the public on the fake programme, as interest had begun to wane in the whole programme.
Nothing is perfect. The originators of the deception had not foreseen the exponential rise in the power of home computers or the ability of their users to link and share information (via the internet), which had begun, early on to spot the flaws in the faked footage and images, and also become suspicious of the astronauts testimony and attitude.
Apollo 1's crew, led by Gus Grissom, had either discovered the secret of all of this, and were not happy (akin to the movie 'Capricorn one') about it at all, and were silenced as they had become unpredictable and an unacceptable security risk, that could have potentially brought down the whole house of cards, and revealed the truth. They had to go.
While a fantastic proposition, this hypothesis does indeed explain many if not all of the anomalies in the official record, from image and film anomalies to audio and transcript anomalies.
If anyone feels this could not be done to intelligent human beings, you're wrong. Mind control is a real and fairly simple thing to achieve.
With the right approach, drugs and manipulation techniques and the right props, they could convince these men they were flying to and walking on the moon, and then just as easily cause them to forget the whole experience and convince them it was a dream or fantasy, or expectation of the mission to come.
The conditioning was not perfect though, and as the years rolled by, Armstrong and others began to have serious doubts about their experiences during the 60's and 70's mission. Have a look at Armstrong's rare interviews and see what you make of it.
They began to remember the truth years later, but of course, if they had or do reveal this information, even now it would mean revealing the existence of the secret space programme and hardware, and for that it would mean certain death, not only for themselves, but their families too.
Thus the secrecy continues.
OK Deaf Alien.
I have an hypothesis, and i'm willing to bet MOST people are really not going to like or agree with it, but i have a thick skin, so let's have at it...
There is, and has been a secret space programme since the late 1940's, spearheaded and controlled by the USA and aided and abetted by other allied nations.
The bulk of the early advanced technology was derived from captured German WW2 technology at the end of the war, who in turn derived their technology from discovered ET craft, that had crashed on Earth millennia ago.
The Germans/NAZI's scoured the planet during the late 30's and early 40's searching for ancient and alien technology..and found what they were looking for. (read Vrill society, Adm. Byrd Antarctica expedition, NAZI bell experiments, etc.)
As the decades went by, the US together with allies, improved on the captured German stuff, and kept it shrouded in secrecy all the while, making a great show of 'conventional' rocket technology to the congress and the world at large, as a smokescreen to cover the real space programme.
This would have two desired outcomes; The concealment of the real technology, and to prod the rest of the world towards developing conventional rocketry technology for their own space and weapons systems, rather than pursuing the ultra advanced designs used in the covert programme.
In accordance with these aims of maintaining the elaborate cover, and with the advent of the Soviet Sputnik and first manned rocket launches, it became necessary for the USA et al, to ramp up the stakes.
A manned moon mission.
NOW..here's where my hypothesis properly kicks in.
The astronaut selection and training programme selected personnel from military men, who had the advantage of being under security and secrecy oaths, should they discover anything they were not meant to, they would be less likely to open their mouths. They also had a secret selection criteria.
One criteria that was used to select all potential astronauts, was psychology testing...this is reasonable of course, but the main component of this psych testing was never revealed...and all selected flight personnel had this attribute in common.
The ability to be easily and completely hypnotised.
Not all people have this. A lot of people are not susceptible to hypnotism, so this was an essential component of astronaut selection, in order to maintain the real space programme cover.
The rockets were designed and built and were real. They flew and achieved low Earth orbit, carrying a crew and could return them to Earth.
They had to be able to do this of course, or else the world would probably go off in another direction of space fight research, which was a possibility the US couldn't afford if it wanted to maintain it's technological superiority.
During the moon missions, ALL of the astronauts were hypnotised some time in advance of the moon mission launch date (in conjunction with MK-ULTRA programming) to believe they were on the moon, when in fact they were in a huge film studio 'sound stage' building, mock up of the moons surface, attached to wires to simulate low G.
This explains the photographic anomalies and the peculiar astronauts testimony regarding not 'remembering' exactly what they did on the moon, and seeing pitch black skies, and not 'remembering' seeing any stars from the moon's surface.
The astronauts actually believed they were on the moon.
Meanwhile, the real space programme had been visiting the moon, Mars, and elsewhere for years, and it was this programme that returned the bulk of the lunar rock samples to Earth, and placed experiments on the lunar surface in order to back up the planned phoney rocket missions for Earth based researchers to 'marvel at'.
After the fake mission photos and film was shot in the sound stage was 'in the can' and deemed to be a convincing (for the era) version of events, the actual rocket launches took place, were filmed and were 'Oooh'd and Arrr'd at by the world.
The faked. previously shot footage and telemetry was then inserted and fed to the mission control monitors and ground based personnel were none the wiser. To their eyes, the ground control instruments were telling them the mission was proceeding perfectly (of course), so would suspect nothing.
Even a faked crisis in the form of Apollo 13 (conveniently unlucky for some), would further focus the public on the fake programme, as interest had begun to wane in the whole programme.
Nothing is perfect. The originators of the deception had not foreseen the exponential rise in the power of home computers or the ability of their users to link and share information (via the internet), which had begun, early on to spot the flaws in the faked footage and images, and also become suspicious of the astronauts testimony and attitude.
Apollo 1's crew, led by Gus Grissom, had either discovered the secret of all of this, and were not happy (akin to the movie 'Capricorn one') about it at all, and were silenced as they had become unpredictable and an unacceptable security risk, that could have potentially brought down the whole house of cards, and revealed the truth. They had to go.
While a fantastic proposition, this hypothesis does indeed explain many if not all of the anomalies in the official record, from image and film anomalies to audio and transcript anomalies.
If anyone feels this could not be done to intelligent human beings, you're wrong. Mind control is a real and fairly simple thing to achieve.
With the right approach, drugs and manipulation techniques and the right props, they could convince these men they were flying to and walking on the moon, and then just as easily cause them to forget the whole experience and convince them it was a dream or fantasy, or expectation of the mission to come.
The conditioning was not perfect though, and as the years rolled by, Armstrong and others began to have serious doubts about their experiences during the 60's and 70's mission. Have a look at Armstrong's rare interviews and see what you make of it.
They began to remember the truth years later, but of course, if they had or do reveal this information, even now it would mean revealing the existence of the secret space programme and hardware, and for that it would mean certain death, not only for themselves, but their families too.
Thus the secrecy continues.
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 07:56 AM by Havick007
reply to post by Deaf Alien
I have been trying to look up article on the SR-71 Blackbird, i want to find out if pilot's could make out stars in daytime flights. Although i am unsure if the max altitude high enough for that.
I thought the ref might help your investigation
I'm still looking though.
I have been trying to look up article on the SR-71 Blackbird, i want to find out if pilot's could make out stars in daytime flights. Although i am unsure if the max altitude high enough for that.
I thought the ref might help your investigation
I'm still looking though.
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 08:05 AM by ppk55
This might be the sort of thing you're after. More of this info is towards the bottom of the article. Seems to be at night though. I'll keep
looking for daytime info.
anacortestoday.blogspot.com...
>>I dimmed the lighting again. To my amazement, I saw a bright light outside my window. As my eyes adjusted to the view, I realized that the brilliance was the broad expanse of the Milky Way, now a gleaming stripe across the sky.
Where dark spaces in the sky had usually existed, there were now dense clusters of sparkling stars. Shooting stars flashed across the canvas every few seconds. It was like a fireworks display with no sound.>>
[edit on 21-4-2010 by ppk55]
anacortestoday.blogspot.com...
>>I dimmed the lighting again. To my amazement, I saw a bright light outside my window. As my eyes adjusted to the view, I realized that the brilliance was the broad expanse of the Milky Way, now a gleaming stripe across the sky.
Where dark spaces in the sky had usually existed, there were now dense clusters of sparkling stars. Shooting stars flashed across the canvas every few seconds. It was like a fireworks display with no sound.>>
Originally posted by Havick007
reply to post by Deaf Alien
I have been trying to look up article on the SR-71 Blackbird, i want to find out if pilot's could make out stars in daytime flights. Although i am unsure if the max altitude high enough for that.
I thought the ref might help your investigation
I'm still looking though.
[edit on 21-4-2010 by ppk55]
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 08:18 AM by Havick007
reply to post by ppk55
Found an interesting article, i will post a small part of it and provide the link to PDF.
Can't copy and paste
- im gonna have to type it. When you view the PDF in the search box type stars and it will take you to the paragraph. Very
interesting!!!
www.habu.org...
Interviewer: Please give the reader a brief decription of life at Mach 3.2 and 85,000 ft
Rick Graham: Cruising at Mack 3.2 and 85,000ft gave you a tremendous view of the world. Some of the sights were unbeleivable.
To be able to see the the stars in the daytime and a dark sky above you was a strange sight to adjust to seeing. At night, the stars and planets seemed to appear as three dimensional... as if you could reach out and touch them.
For more reas the full article. as i said type stars in the PDF search box to take you to this paragraph.
Interesting comments dont you think?
Found an interesting article, i will post a small part of it and provide the link to PDF.
Can't copy and paste
- im gonna have to type it. When you view the PDF in the search box type stars and it will take you to the paragraph. Very
interesting!!! www.habu.org...
Interviewer: Please give the reader a brief decription of life at Mach 3.2 and 85,000 ft
Rick Graham: Cruising at Mack 3.2 and 85,000ft gave you a tremendous view of the world. Some of the sights were unbeleivable.
To be able to see the the stars in the daytime and a dark sky above you was a strange sight to adjust to seeing. At night, the stars and planets seemed to appear as three dimensional... as if you could reach out and touch them.
For more reas the full article. as i said type stars in the PDF search box to take you to this paragraph.
Interesting comments dont you think?
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 08:34 AM by DJW001
reply to post by spikey
Why didn't they just film "on location" on the moon? And why are there no stars, the topic of this thread?
Why didn't they just film "on location" on the moon? And why are there no stars, the topic of this thread?
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 10:28 AM by DJW001
reply to post by dplum517
If it was faked, why didn't they fake the stars? After all, every sci-fi move fakes the stars. Why not this alleged one?
If it was faked, why didn't they fake the stars? After all, every sci-fi move fakes the stars. Why not this alleged one?
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 10:40 AM by weedwhacker
reply to post by spikey
You got two stars for this nonsense?
ATS fails us, yet again....
I can't beleive the junk that soe people post....
Neil Armstrong is a CIVILIAN!!! So is Jack Schmidt.
Oh, you had to just make that up, in order to 'support" the next monstrosity:
OH. MY. GOD!
There is no other reaction to be made, for such claptrap.
BS!!! The spacecraft were TRACKED all the way to the Moon, and by the Soviets, too.
Honestly, where does this garbage come from? Bart Sibrel??
You got two stars for this nonsense?
ATS fails us, yet again....
I can't beleive the junk that soe people post....
The astronaut selection and training programme selected personnel from military men...
Neil Armstrong is a CIVILIAN!!! So is Jack Schmidt.
One criteria that was used to select all potential astronauts, was psychology testing...this is reasonable of course, but the main component of this psych testing was never revealed...and all selected flight personnel had this attribute in common.
Oh, you had to just make that up, in order to 'support" the next monstrosity:
The ability to be easily and completely hypnotised.
OH. MY. GOD!
There is no other reaction to be made, for such claptrap.
The rockets... flew and achieved low Earth orbit, carrying a crew and could return them to Earth.
BS!!! The spacecraft were TRACKED all the way to the Moon, and by the Soviets, too.
Honestly, where does this garbage come from? Bart Sibrel??
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 10:50 AM by spikey
reply to post by DJW001
More control in an enclosed environment, film crews on the moon would have been too much and unnecessary aggravation.
No stars, because the roof of the studio was (in theory) jet black. An oversight of the programming. As i said, nothing is perfect, even with billions of $.
More control in an enclosed environment, film crews on the moon would have been too much and unnecessary aggravation.
No stars, because the roof of the studio was (in theory) jet black. An oversight of the programming. As i said, nothing is perfect, even with billions of $.
reply posted on 21-4-2010 @ 11:09 AM by wmd_2008
reply to post by spikey
Re your theories
How could Jodrell Bank radio telescope track apollo 11 to the moon.
www.jodrellbank.manchester.ac.uk...
Then explain the picture below this was posted by jra on another thread
One half of the picture is from the DAC video taken as Apollo crews lifted off from the Moon.
The other half is from the LRO mission. Its a match
files.abovetopsecret.com...
What do they do to your theories.
Re your theories
How could Jodrell Bank radio telescope track apollo 11 to the moon.
www.jodrellbank.manchester.ac.uk...
Then explain the picture below this was posted by jra on another thread
One half of the picture is from the DAC video taken as Apollo crews lifted off from the Moon.
The other half is from the LRO mission. Its a match
files.abovetopsecret.com...
What do they do to your theories.
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