Europe divorcing America

Europe....divorcing us?

i hope your joking.

if anything the united states is divorcing europe....europe keeps going even more left...while america is starting to turn to the right.

we dont want to live like europeans....the europeans think they know whats best for us...HA as if.

i talked to a european once about welfare...he was apalled by my 'dog eat dog' world view......i was apalled at his disgusting 'government programs take care of everyone' view.

and look where that got them....look at greece all there welfare and social benefit programs....you almost collapsed.


we also seem to be divorcing canada as well.....basically anything 'left' in this country is facing a backlash.

america is divorcing europe...but we get custody of the UK.

our opinions just differ to much.

eurpeans want more government intervention and a NANNY big government state.

americans want self-reliance and smaller government....that simple.

and i personally cant help but think why its not happening SOONER.

europe does not like us...they think we are 'fat,uneducated,etc' religious fanatics...which our liberal media has done nothing but support.

they no longer love us like they did when we saved them...and protected them from the soviets.....there tune changed when they did not have to worry about the big bad next door.

i say good riddence.

reply to post by DEMONcrats




So why is the US adopting the European system?

I say you haven't a clue what you are on about.. especially with your idea of "Europeans"..

And BTW Gucci Capitalism is dead.. the US killed it.. Cooperative capitalism is what the EU has created..

Welcome to Co-op Capitalism..

Leave your Yank chauvinism and illusions of grandeur at the door..

Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
As an american I would hope America gets allimony and chid support especially for saving them in WWII.

You are a child of Europe - a young petulant, immature child. The best you could hope for is pocket money...its all you deserve.

Listen up - listen well - I am neither American nor European - I know both well - Americans are so far behind Europeans - its not funny - the only reason you ever argue that point is because you are so naive about the reality of the world....

Originally posted by PhyberDragon
reply to post by DJW001

 

Considering that the whole war was a sham, and all the international powers were in on it, no one could have really saved anyone's ass.

Here's a good read, scroll down it discusses Hitler's war a little in depth.

______beforeitsnews/news/32106/The_Wake_Up_Call...Shattering_Denial.html

That was a excellent read

Even if I'm not American.... & the world keeps turning

Originally posted by DEMONcrats

europe does not like us...they think we are 'fat,uneducated,etc' religious fanatics...which our liberal media has done nothing but support.

But...a fast growing numbers of you are...'fat,uneducated,etc' religious fanatics...
and thats because you have no government who is there to protect you, from greedy corps...and the greedy corps really have no interests to keep you fit, or well educated...because if the majority of you had a decent education the corps would loose the power over their sheeps...

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Co-op Capitalism...Another one "ism" to hold track of...

Originally posted by audas
Listen up - listen well - I am neither American nor European - I know both well - Americans are so far behind Europeans - its not funny - the only reason you ever argue that point is because you are so naive about the reality of the world....

In what quality are we all "so far behind Europeans - its not funny"?

I'm glad to see they teach you what generalizations and stereotypes are in your corner of the world.

Originally posted by Chevalerous

Originally posted by akalepos

Originally posted by mackey1224uk

Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
As an american I would hope America gets allimony and chid support especially for saving them in WWII.

And who did you excactly save in ww2 because it was'nt the brits.

You saved the russians, and the rest of the europen countryts. From what I can remember not one German foot soldier set foot on british soil so can you tell me how you so-called yanks, saved us from Hilter?

what was the name of that island that the germans held there?

I just saw it the other day. It was one of those "consessions" wasn't it?

Some british tv company did a whole mini series on it.

You probably mean the Channel Islands like Jersey, Guernsey, Alderney, Sark etc?

See Wiki:

The islands were the only part of the British Commonwealth occupied by Germany during the Second World War. The German occupation of 1940–45 was harsh: over 2,000 Islanders were deported by the Germans, Jews sent to concentration camps; partisan resistance and retribution; accusations of collaboration; and slave labour (primarily Russians and eastern Europeans) brought to the islands to build fortifications, with 65,718 landmines laid in Jersey alone.

en.wikipedia.org...

Thanks. I couldn't remember that. It was the assertion that those nazi boots never touched Engish soil that sparked the memory. *I was not trying to be a smart alec about that. I was wondering if that was truly historical or not.

If you think the nazi thing was bad, or the issues in Darfur, or the armenian thing, you haven't seen anything til these NWO monkeys finally get started.

I wish I could simply wave my hand and rid the world of them.

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1.

Thomas Jefferson had some pointers:

"A little rebellion now and then is a good thing and as necessary in the political world as storms in the physical."

A delusional quote from a slave holder who never freed a slave during his lifetime.

"That government is best which governs the least, because its people discipline themselves."

This from a middle aged man who seduced his own dead wife's half sister who happened to be a slave and kept her as a house slave along with his own kids
with her til the end of his life.

"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance."

His children were not given freedom, nor his slave wife Sally, upon his death. They had to run away to other states ...this from a man who it was said "was carried about on a pillow by slaves as a boy".

Words are cheap. "By their deeds ye shall know them." J.C., N.T.

2. Unfortunately, Europe and USA/Canada are inextricably bound in a suffocating
Corporatist net that is intent in a unigovernmental control over all citizens - or shall we term ourselves 'subjects'?

The Corporatists have inculcated in the people of the USA an abhorrance to anything tinged with the 'communist' label and the people grow up seeing this system as worse than Corporatism/or lets call it by it's name, Fascism.

Smedley Butler was picked by the Corporatists to overthrow President Roosevelt in a military coup; he blew the whistle and congress investigated and found his allegations true but the villains were never punished for treason because they were too powerful.

I can't believe I am reading that someone from Sweden is thinking Hitler would not have been so bad...under the New World Order he will have the opportunity to experience the 'disciplined timetables' of Fascism. The labor and death camps, the corrupt politicians and courts, the emprisonment without ability to face your accusers...
does living in Sweden and being blonde/aryan guarrantee you will be immune from the stings of the Corporatist state?

In my travels around the USA, it was the young Europeann and Australian travelers who kept telling me: "The Corporations run your country." Outside of them, no one else seemed to know that. Labor Unions are busted because the jobs are moved outside the country to slave labor states. All that is left for a lot of the poor kids is
the military and the hope in the future of college, of training, wanting to believe they are serving the country not realizing as Smedley Butler did, they are really serving the Corporations.

The PTB in the USA have never felt the wrath of an untidy uncontrollably angry populace as has England, as has France (and Russia). They sit smug and complacent on the laps of their masters, ignoring the growling from below. That is why Europeans have decent health care, why the young people can attend college if they qualify, = not because of 'socialism/communism' so much as the fear of the public reprisals by the people in control over there.

Something happened under Bush that destroyed that. Blair, Bush, and bombs.

I think Europe is wondering what happened to the American people; and the American people are waking up to wonder what next?

Originally posted by SaturnFX
Actually, when I was living in England, they tended to be far more pro-America than pro-France or Germany, etc...

Some even became quite offended when I referred to them as european...they claimed either they were western, or simply british...denying their forced linking to the continent.

Therefore, of we are going to divorce Europe, I think we need to talk about where the UK will be spending its summers and weekends...I think the US is best for them.

I mean, Europe can of course have some scheduled time with them...monitored of course.

It's complicated. First off, Britain, particularly England, has a problematic relationship with the mainland due to historical concerns. Undeniably we're part of Europe, even though we're separated by the mainland, but 100s and 100s of years of wars with nearby neighbours - Dutch, French, Spanish and then the Germans - will colour any kind of relationship.

More recently, we've appear to have been shafted by the EU so many times that a lot of people are genuinely wary of strengthening relationships with Europe.

Also, whilst we're a part of Europe, we're also not. We're a little island nation that is also very separate from Europe. It's a daft thing, but it's also been very, very important to our history so it's understandable that we like to be seen as not being part of Europe as much as we are actually part of it.

So, whilst all this has been going on, our relationship with America has looked relatively rosier. However, since the 1980s, I honestly think this has slowly changed for many, myself included.

Where America does get 'support' and is generally looked on favourably is through a class lens. Traditionally, Europe has always had a lot of support from the middle-classes and the upper-classes. The upper-classes are based on aristocratic families that are spread out all over Europe with branches of the same family in Britain, France, Germany and so on and, ultimately holding no real allegiance to any particular country. Look how problematic that gets in World Wars!

The middle-classes are more complicated because they're, by definition 'wannabes' and historically more driven by ideas of social mobility. So, whilst the upper-classes are European, often the middle-classes aspire to be European though holiday homes in France, politics, cuisine, arts and entertainment and so on - perhaps even down to the perpetuation of having French as the first foreign language of choice in education - terribly handy if you're living in the South East and France is only a couple of hours away!

However, the big difference is within the working-classes and the under-classes. It's here that there's more 'support' for America and 'Americanisation'. It's there that you'll see youths dressing and acting like they've walked out of some American ghetto. It's there that you'll see people flocking to American fast-food places. It's there that you'll find people who think that a Las Vegas wedding is a good thing. And so on...

Personally, I grew-up thinking that America was a fantastically, exotic and glamorous far-away place due to a childhood informed by American comics, music and television. I was certainly far, far more pro-America and anti-Europe. However, 13 years of the internet and regular exposure to Americans has changed that view dramatically and completely reversed my position.

I'm wary of how our relationship with Europe works at the moment but I'd much, much rather change it and strengthen it than abandon it entirely. Whereas the more I look at our relationship with America, especially since the 1980s, the more I'm eager to distance ourselves from any kind of American policy. The 'special relationship' is a sham - everything about is one-way. I'd really like someone to explain what Britain actually gets out of this.

Originally posted by bsbray11

Originally posted by Lurch
Your country wouldn't even exist if it weren't for us.

You're welcome.

Yeah, I was meaning to thank you guys for that. And for pissing our forefathers off enough to get them rebelling and all that.

You probably won't hear most Americans say this but thank you France as well for helping with that!

I actually enjoy French culture.

King Gorege the third ruled brittian and France never mind he was the prince of Rome. You yanks won nothing but uptodate slavery of the banking system

Originally posted by LaMadameDuval
A delusional quote from a slave holder who never freed a slave during his lifetime. ... This from a middle aged man who seduced his own dead wife's half sister who happened to be a slave and kept her as a house slave along with his own kids
with her til the end of his life.

So on the one hand you are emphasizing Jefferson's implied racism and on the other you're criticizing him for sleeping with one of his slaves?

I realize slavery in itself is a terrible thing, but realistically in this time and place, old plantation owners like Jefferson actually cared and took after their slaves as if they were family. Not ALL plantation owners, but it was not uncommon. It was either George Mason or George Wythe that was another famous example of this, I think trying to marry one of his slaves, and leaving his property to her in his will.

I think Europe is wondering what happened to the American people; and the American people are waking up to wonder what next?

I know that our country is extremely corrupt and I have a problem with it obviously but I also am able to admit this and face the problem for what it is, and as bad as it is. What I don't understand is how so many Europeans don't see the same thing in their government, because I can see it here, and I can see it over there too, and I wonder what makes so many people blind to it there while they seem to be able to see our government's corruption no problem. Do you really think your leaders and our leaders are so much freaking different from one another? Especially even as they are all obviously in bed together in more ways than one?

Originally posted by bsbray11

I know that our country is extremely corrupt and I have a problem with it obviously but I also am able to admit this and face the problem for what it is, and as bad as it is. What I don't understand is how so many Europeans don't see the same thing in their government, because I can see it here, and I can see it over there too, and I wonder what makes so many people blind to it there while they seem to be able to see our government's corruption no problem. Do you really think your leaders and our leaders are so much freaking different from one another? Especially even as they are all obviously in bed together in more ways than one?

That's a strange argument. I've never come across anyone - barring the 'sheep' that exist on both sides of the Atlantic - that actually think that Britain and mainland Europe don't have corruption, scams and so on in their various countries. I wouldn't have said anyone was really blind to it at all? Are Italians blind to what goes on with their government? I doubt it? Are the British? I doubt it considering the media coverage that we've had for the last 12 months.

If anything, I'd say this still more of an American issue than European thoufh. As whilst many Americans are conscious of the fact that America is #ed - pretty much like most places - America still exports blindly patriotic cheerleading for its country like nowhere else in the western world. Nowhere in Europe, certainly, do you have blind patriotism like in America.

Originally posted by bsbray11
I know that our country is extremely corrupt and I have a problem with it obviously but I also am able to admit this and face the problem for what it is, and as bad as it is. What I don't understand is how so many Europeans don't see the same thing in their government, because I can see it here, and I can see it over there too, and I wonder what makes so many people blind to it there while they seem to be able to see our government's corruption no problem. Do you really think your leaders and our leaders are so much freaking different from one another? Especially even as they are all obviously in bed together in more ways than one?

At the risk of being rude, i think you sound like a typical insular american, you are unaware of things outside of your country. Here in Europe the press regularly report on corruption inside the government, the people at large believe their governments are corrupt. Consider the expenses scandal in the UK, currently three Labour MP's are still in court, the public is beyond angry and the politicians had to pay back a ton of what they stole.

In contrast, reading american news sources it would appear that your media doesn't report on corruption to much. Oh they report on how Obama is a socialist, how government run medicine will kill you all (conveniently ignoring successful European systems) and of course they report about Britney Aquilera or someone with a similar bubblegum name has obviously had a boob job.

Look i know this is probably a rather rude post but please don't tell Europeans that we seem unaware of the corruption when we have fired some politicians and others are facing criminal proceedings. That sort of effect takes massive public outrage.

Actually it's really strange that, going by your news sources the majority of americans ignore the obvious corporate infiltration of government but when Bill Clinton has an affair he gets impeached. Yeah you guys really have your priorities straight.

Originally posted by mackey1224uk

Originally posted by OLD HIPPY DUDE
As an american I would hope America gets allimony and chid support especially for saving them in WWII.

And who did you excactly save in ww2 because it was'nt the brits.

You saved the russians, and the rest of the europen countryts. From what I can remember not one German foot soldier set foot on british soil so can you tell me how you so-called yanks, saved us from Hilter?

V2 rockets. lol.

If the US didnt step into WWII, I am pretty certain that Hitler would have marched more than one soldier there.

Originally posted by Merriman Weir
The 'special relationship' is a sham - everything about is one-way. I'd really like someone to explain what Britain actually gets out of this.

The special relationship is like having an exciting but selfish lover. We get screwed a lot but that cuddle never happens, and there is always the danger of an STD.

reply to post by A-E-I-Owned-You


Hmmm...

Britain and Germany would have signed a peace treaty before the Germans had the power projection to stay on mainland Britain for long.. in the meanwhile those rockets you mention mixed with da bomb would have made it an interesting time for mineral rich places like the USA..

However I for one am glad we teamed up..

Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by A-E-I-Owned-You

 

Hmmm...

Britain and Germany would have signed a peace treaty before the Germans had the power projection to stay on mainland Britain for long.. in the meanwhile those rockets you mention mixed with da bomb would have made it an interesting time for mineral rich places like the USA..

However I for one am glad we teamed up..

This is something that I always find bemusing in WWII-related and gun-related posts from Americans. The idea of a 'gun behind every blade of grass' is a bit of a nonsense really. If the Japanese had similarly had 'a gun behind every blade of grass' - and I've seen it argued on here that the Japanese would have fought to the death even with sharpen sticks or whatever they could have got their hands on and so were generally dangerous to any invading American troops even without guns - then it still wouldn't have stopped what happened in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

It's interesting to ponder on how, given a slightly different timescale, how this might have played out a little differently. How, no matter how well-armed the American population were, Nazi atomic weapons would have rendered each and every rifle and handgun pointless.

I actually wonder whose 'asses' America really saved.

reply to post by Merriman Weir


This is the point I feel that few understand.. the French moved their nuclear material out of German hands, We in Britain then did the exact same thing, with our scientists and materials...

But what if none of that movement had happened and Britain had signed a peace treaty with the Germany.. and it would have happened before Germany had the power projection to get beyond the Southdowns.

Hitler didn't want Britain as an enemy, indeed he wanted to sit on Blackpool beaches with a knotted hanky on his head

But seriously, mixing da bomb and the V rockets, neither US or Russia would have been able to stand against that kind of force.. a force lacking both compassion and restrait.

Ultimatly, Britain only had to sign a peace treaty to save it's a$$..

Edit to add: I guess what I am trying to say is that other nations needed the war more than Britain to save their own a$$es


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Originally posted by bsbray11
What I don't understand is how so many Europeans don't see the same thing in their government, because I can see it here, and I can see it over there too, and I wonder what makes so many people blind to it there while they seem to be able to see our government's corruption no problem. Do you really think your leaders and our leaders are so much freaking different from one another? Especially even as they are all obviously in bed together in more ways than one?

A simple answer to that is that we know our problems in our governments..

Those problems don't project massive amounts of propaganda, war fronts and intimidation around the planet though.. whereas the US empire does.