Australia should drop filter plan: US

Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter

If Adult porn is all good and money then why are there real victims there to?
So i get this if they are killed or raped it wont matter cause thats adult porn, i am right? and that was there choice of joining the porn industry but if you ask me they joined for the money.

Think about this for once.

Sorry but this is the dumbest thing I've read all week.
What are you babbling about in this paragraph?

Think about the following....

Adult porn is not forced on to the adult participants. They are part of the adult porn industry by choice. Whether it's for money or because they enjoy being filmed while in the act, they are their by choice. Nobody is forcing them to be in porn. And even if they are there for money, what's so bad about that? It's their choice, their life, they can do what they want with it.

Or do you work because you enjoy it? You'd be one in a billion.

Children who are exploited sexually don't get a choice. They aren't asked if they want to be in a porno with some perverted old freak. They are forced to be in it. They are made to do thing's against their will.

See the difference?

Think about that for once.

1) The US ambassador should STFU and stay the hell out of Australian political issues...I don't believe interfering in Australian politics is in his job description ? We had plenty of US interference in the way our country is run before/during 1975, thankyou very much...

2) Conjob and Rudd are continuing to push this issue and WILL present the legislation to the parliament in a months time because they know a majority of the community supports it and because they know a majority of coalition members support it as it reflects the conservative viewpoint of their constituents...

3) EFA is wasting its time because it is targeting the wrong people, i.e those who are computer literate and are regular internet users...It is preaching to the choir, so to speak and anyone who donates money to them to allow them to protest this issue is wasting their money...Give me your money on saturday instead and I guarantee I will double it at Caulfield...

The hearts and minds that need to be won in order to have the government back down over this issue are those who do not use the internet regularly, those who are not "tech savvy" and parents of children who do use the internet regularly...

4) I've seen thousands upon thousands of Australians on forums all over the internet (including ATS) bleating about how bad this proposal is, and being the betting man that I am, I will lay very long odds about all but few of them actually getting off their arses and doing anything about this issue...And I will win more than enough money to retire on doing so...

Getting of your arse means emailing politicians of all persuasions, particularly the ones sitting in marginal seats. asking them their position on the issue and letting them know how you feel about it. and suggesting their position on the issue might mean the difference between sitting in parliament after the next election or going back to their old job...

Getting off your arse means educating other people about this issue, the people I mentioned at the end of point 3...It means telling them exactly what the filter will entail, what it will and wont do...It means telling them face to face, on the phone, by text, by email, on faecesbook...Tell them THE TRUTH, any way you possibly can...Like I said, these are the people that might just mean this thing will be stopped in its tracks...

And if you're really serious about this, getting off your arse means helping to man a desk on the street, handing out fliers and engaging with complete strangers, face to face...

I've done and will continue to do all of the above, what have you done to try and stop the filter becoming reality ?

If you're not prepared to do at least the first two things I mentioned (emailing politicians and engaging everyone you know on the issue), then your comments on ATS or anywhere else are simply hot air and you might as well save your energy...

/end rant


[edit on 14/4/2010 by Retrovertigo]

[edit on 14/4/2010 by Retrovertigo]

In reference to the question asked from the audience of Q&A's, "Given the United States commitment to Internet Freedom as articulated by Hillary Clinton in January"...... to Ambassador Jeff Bleich.
Hillary Clinton on Free Internet:

"In many respects, information has never been so free," Clinton said. She referred to the way that virtually anyone can broadcast information to the Internet at any time. But governments can also use Internet and communications technologies to repress their people, she said, "just as steel can be used to build hospitals or machine guns."
"We stand for a single Internet, where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas," Clinton said.
"The freedom to connect is like the freedom of assembly in cyberspace." -- Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, speaking Thursday in a major policy statement.

Zelong.

reply to post by Retrovertigo

Love it, love it, nice post Mate

1) The US ambassador should STFU and stay the hell out of Australian political issues...I don't believe interfering in Australian politics is in his job description ? We had plenty of US interference in the way our country is run before/during 1975, thankyou very much...

Well actually Ambassador Jeff Bleich was asked a very well put question, Mr Bleich has not stuck his nose in this, Mr Bleich has been Dragged into Our Debate on Internet Censorship Mr Bleich seemed Coy if not Embarrassed on the audiences question because Duds and Clown Conroy's Policy Clearly Conflicts with US Policy dumb and dumber(so much for pier pressure).

3) EFA is wasting its time because it is targeting the wrong people, i.e those who are computer literate and are regular internet users...It is preaching to the choir, so to speak and anyone who donates money to them to allow them to protest this issue is wasting their money...Give me your money on saturday instead and I guarantee I will double it at Caulfield...

# 3, I agree with too but rightly so if I change the word "choir" to "messenger" that works because I for one am onto this, I report to my Kin and Friends who are in the wheels of life and really have now Time. I've got trust from the folks I mention this too because I give it to them in a Nut Shell.

Thanks for your input Retrovertigo love your post, a good writer writes with vengeance (or don't bother).


Zelong.

reply to post by Zelong

They are only controlling content within the limits of other media...
...and commercial and independant groups are monitoring it...
...just like other media.

I am comfortable with that level of control.

reply to post by troubleshooter

Not really sure what it is your saying here troubleshooter
Who's "controlling content within the limits of other media..." etc...


Zelong.

Originally posted by Zelong
"We stand for a single Internet, where all of humanity has equal access to knowledge and ideas," Clinton said.

In other words:

"Don't censor the internet, Australia. The CIA needs it to find out who thinks what."

There is growing opposition to this filter in australia,i have joined several groups myself and am active in organising protests,im thinking it will fail atm however australian polititians dont like to be seen backflipping once they've stuck their foot in their mouths

Originally posted by troubleshooter
They are only controlling content within the limits of other media...
...and commercial and independant groups are monitoring it...
...just like other media.

I am comfortable with that level of control.

You're comfortable with that level of control, eh ?

Ok, no probs...But please don't complain when the the threat of the rest of your civil liberties being taken away rears its head, yeah ?

Always remember First They Came:- "They came first for the communists" etc, etc...

Your assertion that "independent groups are monitoring it" is not true...This list is going to be held, monitored and added to by ACMA...There will be no way for the public to even know if a site has been added to the list...
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If that's what "independent groups monitoring it" is, I don't want it...

Its people like you who are the most dangerous in our community IMO, prepared to piss away our liberties cos they believe what the gubbermint tells them

Never mind having a critical mind when it comes to these things...

If people like you want internet filtering at ISP level, then you can opt in for it and you can pay your ISP extra for the cost of implementing and running it...Easy...

Originally posted by Zelong
reply to post by troubleshooter

 

Not really sure what it is your saying here troubleshooter

Who's "controlling content within the limits of other media..." etc...

Zelong.

All Australian media has classifications...
...CTC, G, PG, M, MA, R, X and there is content that is not allowed...
...classifications determne who and what ages can view certain media content.

Internet filters will only block content outside of these classifications...
...bringing it into line with other media in regard to banned content only.

The filtering will be monitored by commercial and public bodies...
...so it is not a unilateral action by the government as some suggest.

Did anyone read today about that teenager(now 18) who got around Howard's NetAlert voluntary filter for peoples computers?
He is planning on getting around Rudd's filter, and according to the government, it wont be illegal to bypass the filter.

So it makes you wonder what the hell they are playing at by wasting millions of tax payer dollars by introducing this filter.

Hmm..

Their introducing a filter to stop "inappropriate" content.
But then say people are free to bypass their filter.
What comes next?

i live in aus,if they do this,i will sell my computer,and they wont get my 100$ a month any more,i wish the absolute idiot moron self righteous nanny state f^%$arse senator conroy would just fall down a hole and never be seen again,oooooh we really care about the kids,here,have another diet coke and a big mac,but we really care ,oooooh.hypocrits.

This is an issue i feel very strongly about. I have done a lot of research into the subject and compiled my findings in a report that can be found on my blogger page: fightagainstfilter.blogspot.com...
Its a bit of a long read (theres so much information to contain in it), but i tink its well worth the read, especially for the uninitiated.

Greens warn Gillard over internet filter

The Greens are a joke. They are only speaking up because they realise how many people are against it. Trying to win votes, it is an election year after all.

Let's remember these are the same people who have said they would shut down the Olympic Dam mine if they ever got the chance..putting thousands of people out of work and costing the economy tens of billions, not to mention the damage it would do to business investor confidence.