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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 10:39 PM
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Australia should drop filter plan: US


www.theaustralian.com.au

CHILD pornographers can be captured and prosecuted without having to resort to mandatory internet filters, says Barack Obama confidante and US Ambassador to Australia Jeff Bleich.

The Rudd government has said the mandatory filters are crucial in its arsenal of online weapons aimed at stamping out child pornography and other forms of illegal material.
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posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 10:39 PM
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US Ambassador to Australia Jeff Bleich was on the Q&A's panel, a ABC TV show, full video

"On the issue of the internet we have been very clear. The internet needs to be free," Mr Bleich said. "It needs to be free the way we have said skies have to be free, outer space has to be free, the polar caps have to be free, the oceans have to be free. They're shared resources of all the people in the world.

"To the extent that there are disagreements (about) trying to find the right balance between law enforcement and respecting that general principle, we work with our friends, and so we've been working with Australia on this issue, we've had healthy discussions and ... I'm sure we'll be able to find the path forward."

The US had told Australia child pornographers could be nabbed without the use of internet filters, Mr Bleich said.

If Australia starts this Internet Filter it will slow the worlds Internet down! think about it, if the site your going to is based in Australia your slowed down if I'm on an overseas site everything slows down for me.

Now UK Passes Bill To Restrict Internet (coming near you soon) that's it the Whole net will be slower.

Edit to add Video:
Question from the audience to Jeff Bleich.

"Given the United States commitment to Internet Freedom as articulated by Hillary Clinton in January does Australia's purposed Internet Filter threaten our relationship in anyway and can the United States continue to put pressure on Iran and China over Internet freedom if they don't similarly pressure Australia"



Video ATS Media Australia's Internet Filter US Ambassador Jeff Bleich talks on Q&A 12th April 10'
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Zelong.

www.theaustralian.com.au
(visit the link for the full news article)

[edit on 13/4/10 by Zelong]



posted on Apr, 12 2010 @ 11:08 PM
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posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 12:20 AM
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Dont like whats on the site? then dont visit it.


if you ask me all porn is bad.

for once

If Adult porn is all good and money then why are there real victims there to?
So i get this if they are killed or raped it wont matter cause thats adult porn, i am right? and that was there choice of joining the porn industry but if you ask me they joined for the money.

Think about this for once.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 03:58 AM
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Agent_USA_Supporter...lol wot?????

So if I join the army and get captured by the enemy then tortured, raped and killed it's my fault and nothing should be done about it because I joined up for the money?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:03 AM
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Well let's see what the Honorable (
) Stephen Conroy has to say about this. Will he accuse an US ambassador of being a kiddy fiddler aswell, like he's accused everyone else who has opposed his draconian plan? For some reason, I don't think he will.

I spit on Conroy's plan and for once there has been common sense spoken by an American delegate. Funnily enough it will fall on deaf ears, not that its a surprise.

[edit on 13/4/2010 by serbsta]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 04:15 AM
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This internet filter/censorship racket is an utter farce. It has nothing to do with child pornography...none at all. We employ dozens of officers to track down websites dealing in images of naked children; to pose as kids on chat sites in order to nab lurking pedophiles. Said officers are reknowned for their prowess and efficiency.
The problem is not so widespread that it entails a filter over Australian internet use. Like those measures recently passed in Britain, ours will come to signify the death of any "free" person's ability to readily access information from all fronts--especially those which disagree with government consensus.

Yet, as is the Aussie way, so many here are quite "meh", and "she'll be right" about this whole godamn lie.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:56 AM
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I can't believe that American ambassador really thinks internet filtering is bad, I'm pretty sure once it successful in Australia it will be rolled out to our American friends as well. Don't you think?



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:13 AM
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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
I can't believe that American ambassador really thinks internet filtering is bad, I'm pretty sure once it successful in Australia it will be rolled out to our American friends as well. Don't you think?


What makes you think it will be successful?

It will be an utter total disaster, I'm ashamed to put my name behind the Labor party which is supposed to represent societal progression.

What Stephen Conroy and those who support this debacle of the grandest scale don't understand, is that you can't cover a whale with a towel. Those who they want to restrain (kiddy fiddlers) will find other ways of getting access to illegal material. Peer-to-peer would be the easiest alternative for them, HTTP will easily be replaced. And when a whole new underground class of degenerate low life pedophiles emerge where will those of us who live moral and legal lives be left? With a censored internet? One whose blacklist will continually expand to include material which will continually have less and less to do with child pornography?

Once again. I spit on Conroy and this plan.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:16 AM
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Zelong.....

Here's an article I posted from the Sydney Morning Herald about this ambassador's comments.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Some of the comments therein might complement the discussion in this thread.

In view of the video you have posted, its probably better if the discussion continues in your thread


Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:38 AM
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Google.

Yahoo.

Microsoft.

Telstra.

The big three when it comes to the internet and Australias largest Telco have all raised concerns about this filter.

www.smartcompany.com.au...

This better not get through parliament.

[edit on 13/4/10 by Chadwickus]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:15 AM
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Originally posted by Agent_USA_Supporter
If Adult porn is all good and money then why are there real victims there to?
So i get this if they are killed or raped it wont matter cause thats adult porn, i am right? and that was there choice of joining the porn industry but if you ask me they joined for the money.

Think about this for once.


Where did you get that lunacy from?

Adult porn does not equate to people being killed or raped. People are killed and or raped for various reasons, not necessarily stemming from pornography.

And it isn't all bad. It depends on what you are watching and above all, the sort of *person* you are.

Do you watch it and think it's a true reflection of attitudes towards men and women? Do you think all women (and men) behave like that during sex? Do you think everyone participating is against their will?

If so, then the problem is yours, not the industry's.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:28 AM
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So they should drop the filter plan.

Child pornography will simply go underground. Videos and pictures will be worth big bucks. Then more children will suffer.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 07:33 AM
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Do you boys down under have any way to write in protest to the govt to voice your opinions, disgust with the policy? When I heard about it years ago i was shocked and could only imagine my outrage if I was living in Australia.

I know it's pretty much a farce here but in the UK they used to (still do?) have that website where you could sign up and create petitions for/against various issues, directly to Downing Street. True, many were an utter joke (like Jeremy Clarkson for PM) and how much of an difference it made, I'm not sure, but I liked the idea that the "common person" could sign their name to an online petition directly on a govt website.

[edit on 13-4-2010 by noonebutme]



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 08:44 AM
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Finland actually tried this and it was a total failure. There was no authority monitoring the list and there was noone to complain to if something was blocked without a reason. Also it blocked sites that had nothing to do with any kind of porn. Then there was the problem of blocknig sites that link to questionable material by some method of automation. Google however was never added which is stange. Also sometimes they blocked entire domains when one user had illegal material on the site. Blocking doesn't work.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:30 PM
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reply to post by Maybe...maybe not
 

In view of the video you have posted, its probably better if the discussion continues in your thread

Thanks Maybe...maybe not
, all good I read and flagged your thread too, this thread has different links(happy the mods noticed this too
) my main aim was the video, I watched it the night before and had to get it up, good Old Aunty(ABC TV) had it mounted for download the next morning
, I wasn't going to intrude(sorta speak) I'll pop over and mount the video if that's
and please anyone has a need to post this video use it, post it with the link to the full video(protocol).
This is a World Issue Now!


Zelong.



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 05:36 PM
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Zelong.....

No worries mate


Rudd & Conroy are disgusting beyond words.

The Rudd government is worse than the Whitlam government.

Cheers mate
Maybe...maybe not



posted on Apr, 13 2010 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by MOTT the HOOPLE
I can't believe that American ambassador really thinks internet filtering is bad, I'm pretty sure once it successful in Australia it will be rolled out to our American friends as well. Don't you think?

Well at the moment our Policy conflicts with US Policy

The question asked by the audience to Ambassador Jeff Bleich was well researched
Mr Bleich's answer pretty much spoke around the reason for the US Policy ' "On the issue of the internet we have been very clear. The internet needs to be free," Mr Bleich said. "It needs to be free the way we have said skies have to be free, outer space has to be free, the polar caps have to be free, the oceans have to be free. They're shared resources of all the people in the world. '
Stephen Conroy and US at odds on net filter

THE Obama administration has questioned the Rudd government's plan to introduce an internet filter, saying it runs contrary to the US's foreign policy of encouraging an open internet to spread economic growth and global security.


Uncle Sam may come and save us again
, all good.


Zelong.



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:05 AM
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Electronic Frontiers Australia is another Hub for action and petition.
Show your Support for an Open Internet (AUS)


The Australian: email letters@theaustralian.com.au
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Canberra Times email: letters.editor@canberratimes.com.au



Zelong.

[edit on 14/4/10 by Zelong]



posted on Apr, 14 2010 @ 04:10 AM
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Rudd had better back down...

The last thing we need is international sanctions and the marines kicking in our back door and blasting every civilian off the face of the island with their dirty bombs and their nancy attack drones....


[edit on 14/4/10 by spearhead]

[edit on 14/4/10 by spearhead]



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