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Originally posted by nastyj
Imo like i said it usually boils down to monotheism and polytheism, to make all the polytheists come together under a banner is more possible, and to make all monotheists come together is possible to, but to put both of them together wont work. Occult teaching may find itself common similarities with pagan and polytheistic ideals, wheres the monotheistic would would have strict regulation in practicing these forms of spirituality.
The area in between these warring ideologies is the atheists mindset.
Imo to establish a religion among the atheist, everything will have to be scientifically proven to be beneficial to make it viable as a religion they can acknowledge.
If an atheist were asked to perform certain rituals or believe in a so called elected messiah, then he would have to be proven to be able to fit the miraculous qualities.
And one thing we all can agree on is that there is much science hasnt been able to prove...
but may will do in the near future, that means the religion will have to be updated regularly and even be changed.
This will beg more question to as who will control these changes being made to th religion and as generations pass, if the religion will still be fit in on era as it did another,
so im afraid to come to a conclusion to say that a one world religion with proper fundamentals wont work. If you can call simple thing such as being 'good' 'love eachother' as a religion im afraid its not specific enough and will beget more questions....
I can believe in all of them at the same time,
so can you, and the we with you. :-)
I was under the impression most atheists were "scienceists",
or believers of science,
which is a monotheistic sect started in Islam,
an then westernized during the reneissance.
Quantum Physics instead has "subjective reality",
where each perceiver creates their experience.
The key to how it things are so stable,
is to realize that things are conscious,
rocks have awareness (as noted by Ra from the Law of One material),
so can inform you they are with you.
Rocks and materials have awareness.
Plants and animals have desires.
Higher animals and humans have choices.
and the multiverse of string theory.
They are just about dead anyhow,
find someone with more life to them.
More fertile soil for beliefs.
With Billy Meier this was showed to not work.
Even though he worked miracles,
he's still highly refuted.
Proof is a vague and maldefined term.
If it was the same or similar to evidence,
such as testimony, audio, video, and physical objects,
then extra-terrestrials would certainly have to
Originally posted by nastyj Imo like i said it usually boils down to monotheism and polytheism, to make all the polytheists come together under a banner is more possible, and to make all monotheists come together is possible to, but to put both of them together wont work. Occult teaching may find itself common similarities with pagan and polytheistic ideals, wheres the monotheistic would would have strict regulation in practicing these forms of spirituality.
Originally posted by nastyj
Indeed the monotheism is apparent,
in the belief of an "objective reality",
which science (quantum physics) disproves.
Originally posted by lowki
Originally posted by Tryptych
Originally posted by ghostsoldier
You can talk all the mystical mumbo jumbo, mixed with metaphor, mixed with history, mixed with perception, in micro and macro, from different cultures, from different time periods, different rituals, different this - different that - and as a result have the world divided and ignorant.
Or do what Jesus wanted, not to worship him, but to emulate him. Have an individual religion centred around you, and your connection with God, who is pure Love. And practice it where ever you go 24/7-365 - not just on a Sat or Sun.
Aren't Krishnamurti's ideas exactly what could be called "mystical mumbo jumbo"?
he didn't have anything happy to say.
And isn't having a "religion centered around yourself" the exact opposite of the original christian teachings?
If by "original" you're refering to Billy Meier's version,
then I'm not so sure.
It's possible to bring all monotheists religions together, but it's certainly not probable. Anything is possible, but the day monotheistic religions combine together and work uniformly on this earth is the day pigs fly.
Generally, Monotheistic religions instructs you to not believe in any other God, but the God designated to that particular monotheistic religion. Thus, people, who belongs to a monotheistic religion, will not follow any or agree with any other God that's outside their religion.
Indeed the monotheism is apparent,
in the belief of an "objective reality",
which science (quantum physics) disproves.
And isn't having a "religion centered around yourself" the exact opposite of the original christian teachings?
Originally posted by nastyj
And isn't having a "religion centered around yourself" the exact opposite of the original christian teachings?
Tbh this wouldn't work for major religions, they will simply say God is more knowledgeable to give you the guideline on how you live our life, instead of you being able to do it yourself. Now most might consider that ok we as humans know ourselves more than anyone right? But we do know that we are imperfect, and we do not have knowledge over 90% of what we are capable of, religion will tell them that god knows you better than yourself.
To me this makes sense, and if you use the example of pets or animals. DO animals know what is best for them or do we know? ofc we know right? tha why we have to take care for them if they are our pets, and we have wildlife conservations to preserve them form being instinct. our advanced intellect gives us that priority over them to make sure we establish guidelines for them to be able to live healthy lives.
The same way religion will say god is far more itelligent then us, and god bestows the most efficient way in his teachings to become pure or enlightened, free from sin etc etc.
Originally posted by nastyj
I can believe in all of them at the same time,
so can you, and the we with you. :-)
This sounds simple to comprehend, but simply believing in them is a different story to practicing them. A believer of a chosen religion will have strict practices to follow,
if you believe in all the gods then you wil ahve o also practice the guidelines set by all the gods, thus if you dont accomplish this task, they wont class you as believing in them at all.
I was under the impression most atheists were "scienceists",
or believers of science,
which is a monotheistic sect started in Islam,
an then westernized during the reneissance.
Im not sure if i understand this part, how does atheist scientist become part of a monotheistic sect in Islam, i may have misunderstood something here please clarify.
With Billy Meier this was showed to not work.
Even though he worked miracles,
he's still highly refuted.
Hmmm ive not had about this dude or what he performed, but by miracles i mean those miracles that have been said before, like splitting the sea into two, or turning staff into snake etc etc. When a miracle is obvious and in front of you, then im sure he will become popular
Originally posted by GrandKitaro777
Generally, Monotheistic religions instructs you to not believe in any other God, but the God designated to that particular monotheistic religion. Thus, people, who belongs to a monotheistic religion, will not follow any or agree with any other God that's outside their religion.
Originally posted by lowki
Indeed the monotheism is apparent,
in the belief of an "objective reality",
which science (quantum physics) disproves.
Actually, monotheism doesn't doesn't advocate a object reality. Contrarily, they are against it because it conflict with their God word.
Objective reality is the reality that really exists, and within this existence, the environment can be studied empirically (Objectively) and the evidence gather from this environment is deprived of someone's bias or someone's subjective interpretation.
then their experience of seeing a phenomenon is open to being dismiss due to a lack of evidence.
Originally posted by may_be_true
However, there are at least two big problems with naming the result of such an exercise a "religion".
manufacturing a placebo pill for ourselves, and then expecting it to do it's magic.
And... To be one, a religion needs to have answers and explanations to certain unknowns. answered where we come form,
where we are going
and who we are.
We develop these "visions" from a very early and therefore very ignorant age.
Any religious commentary is a result of our reaction to and relationship with that child-minded concept we develop at the age of 4-5 and spend a lifetime trying to reason with it.
is simply based on an inherited notion that we "need" religion. Do we?
placebo's are effective for many things.
please note that it is the mind of the user that brings about the effect.
Though at the same time there are people that prefer to use proprietary technologies,
as many still us Microsoft Windows, we should certainly allow them to.
Originally posted by may_be_true
reply to post by lowki
Thanks so much for reading my post and replying to it.
"Belief System" is my preferred terminology as well. However, it is important to make a distinction between belief and knowledge.
A knowledge based system is based on verifiable data.
different species may observe and therefore "know" quite differently.
believe certain things that are simply figments of their imaginations and assign tremendous value to them.
Your experience as a 5 year old... It is so in line with my comments in my previous post that I am not entirely sure how to respond... Would you care to elaborate on this experience and your mother's reaction and what kind of a "belief system" she subscribes to or subscribed to at the time of the incident, etc. to put it in to some context?
Can you also help us understand what the light told you and how it merged with your brain?
And what the effect of the relatively recent return, the end of the dormancy, had on you. What is your interpretation of it all?
I would also be very interested in knowing what you mean by "soul", "101101011001011001".
Though at the same time there are people that prefer to use proprietary technologies,
as many still us Microsoft Windows, we should certainly allow them to.
Yes... Maybe... I will just end my post by noting that any OS (using your analogy) is fully dependent on, limited by and custom written for the hardware it runs on.
Thank you for your post.