are visa/non english born nurses to blame for nhs failures?

Recently my friend has been visiting their nan in a local NHS hospital, she has been there 6times over the last 2 weeks and so have all her family members..

Well during their time there, they have had incidents where an old lady has asked my friend for help, my friend was going to but the nurses said "no you can't help thats our job" right... anyway my friend said this lady needs help she said 5minutes and another nurse who couldn't speak english had no idea what she was on about and walked away and saw the lady struggling, the other nurse said 5minutes didn't she!? well it took her an hour to come back and ask the lady if she was fine when clearly she wasn't.

Another instance these non english speaking nurses came over to check everything was fine with her and just came up had a look ticked her paperwork and left,,,
there was dirty instruments left on the side and a filled adult nappy just there....

the same ward has been closed 3times in the last month due to a new mutated super bug and I wonder why if they aren't cleaning up!

my point is I know some nurses come to england to learn english and work also but why put them in a hospital when they have no idea what they are doing or whether they are able to read!?

im sorry but I think these nurses are holding the NHS back from their aims, why don't they learn english first and then be allowed to work in a hospital.

wouldn't it be more efficient for them to employ people who can read and speak and get on the job in quicker times?

the killer bugs

[edit on 8-4-2010 by jumpingbeanz]

reply to post by jumpingbeanz


Why not encourage more Brits to become nurses instead of becoming single mothers and then pay them the sort of wage they deserve?

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Originally posted by Freeborn
reply to post by jumpingbeanz

 

Why not encourage more Brits to become nurses instead of becoming single mothers and then pay them the sort of wage they deserve?

I could not agree with you anymore!

what is wrong with this country???...

oh my bad silly question.... what's right with it?

I visited my Endocrinologist yesterday in Oxford, he is from India, he replcaed my original consultant and has been amazing really thorough, compared to my previous english consultant, I've been really impressed with Oxfords Hospitals since transfering my care from London's Guy's and St Thomas's. They are really clean modern hospitals. Wfith great nurses from all over the world.

Surely your friend should complain to the manage ment or move her nan to a better hospial, you can choose nowadays.

reply to post by woodwardjnr


I personally have an asian doctor and I really cannot understand a word he says, I had to swap from my old doctor because of the same problem, so when I go doctors now I have to bring a friend to try translate for me...

Originally posted by jumpingbeanz
reply to post by woodwardjnr

 

I personally have an asian doctor and I really cannot understand a word he says, I had to swap from my old doctor because of the same problem, so when I go doctors now I have to bring a friend to try translate for me...

what part of the country do you come from where you can not change your GP, Just say you want a female doctor, simple

reply to post by woodwardjnr


West midlands.

seriously if I ask for a female doctor I will get one???, I haven't seen any though at my local gp.. there is a long waiting list at another doctors by me for 2years...

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I am so happy, I can’t wait for this kind of crappy health care here in the US... but hey just as long as everyone is covered that’s fine... Yea for socialism, hail King Obama..... Posers, we deserve what we get.

My grandma was in the hospital in Wilmington, North Carolina a few months back. Now, all the nurses speak English, but I was appalled at the lack of time that was put on her, but she was one patient on one floor of a VERY large hospital.

she needed some water, was begging for it, but the nurses say that because she was going into surgery, she couldnt have any at the time. I was about to punch them for not even listening to her.

I had to calm myself and even remind myself that there are alot of sick people there, and they all were important, even if they didnt devote all their time to one patient.

In the states the secondary language is Spanish, but I imagine that in the UK you might hear a bunch of different languages spoken at places like that. Its scary to think that a form could be filled out wrong because of a language comprehension issue.

Why not encourage more Brits to become nurses instead

reply to post by Freeborn


I was going to re-enlist in the Army however I have decided to study a psychiatric nursing degree instead to help soldiers with PTSD (thats the hope) instead... Whether I get a place on the course remains to be seen...
It is ridiculous that we have the situation where we have nursing staff who cannot even speak English.
I personally think that those taking up jobs in the UK should all be fluent in English before they come here, and must demonstrate a good competency in the language as part of the immigration process...

reply to post by Yissachar1


Strange thing is in my local area all the temp/short term contract jobs are asking for fluency in a second or 3rd lanquage, these are for roles that only have contact within the UK.. the situation seems obsurd..

Good luck in getting on your course, I have a few friends in that field dealing with disociative disorders..

reply to post by jumpingbeanz


Im in the West Mids too.... I feel your pain.... The doctors down the road from me are mostly Asian and work on an almost conveyor belt system. They All speak pigeon English, and one has loads of court cases for malpractice against him, yet he still remains in work....

Suffice to say... I have gone with another doctor who is also Asian and very nice and speaks perfect English..

reply to post by thoughtsfull


why the hell are they giving our jobs away its completely obsurd.

Suffice to say... I have gone with another doctor who is also Asian and very nice and speaks perfect English..

you must be really one of the lucky ones!!

reply to post by jumpingbeanz


IMO these people should not be given any type of job in this country unless they can speak fluent english, if I wanted to be a nurse in say spain I would not stand a chance if I could not speak fluent spanish and to be given a job that involves looking after people in a country whose language you cannot speak please..... whats this world coming to. It boils down to this if you want a job in a country where that language is not your first then you need to fluently learn that language to be able to do that job properly.

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i really wish there was a phone number to ring no 10 at and say yo idiots give us our jobs back and get England working again....
do these idiots in suites just not realise , or are they taking back handers to do it.
this country is being drained like a bloody egg timer

I am a Nurse and have worked alongside many foreign Nurses and Doctors and can honestly say that I have never had any real problems with language.

I do know that the 'rules' for foreign healthworkers have tightened up in recent years due to to problems with language. They now have to take a verbal and written English test.

Maybe these Nurses you speak about joined the NHS before the tightening of the rules. BTW, were they Registered Nurses or Health Care Assistants?

There are ways to complain about any Practitioner issues, ie: PALS, GMC, NMC or through the HPC.

As for foreigh nurses 'taking British Nurses jobs', this isnt quite true. The UK as a whole is actually short of nurses as is the USA, Canada, Australia and New Zealand. These countries are all trawling the same seas for foreign nurses.

reply to post by jumpingbeanz


It's quite a new thing in this neck of the woods... and is quite perplexing.. Why would I need to speak French, Germany or Polish to work locally!

BTW.. I (as a male) used the line that I didn't trust a male doctor and was was given a female one I had to go to the health authority itself to do that, the right address (might not be the same name as your local NHS trust) should be on your medical card (if you have one)

reply to post by Wotan


I see your point, but I do have to distress the fact that some of these ladies/nurses can speak english but have no idea what you say to them.
I wonder what questions are on these written tests?

I have noticed some hospitals are either clean or they are completely a sesspit.
sshouldn't they all be clean.

I see these sesspit hospitals are an easy and cheap back door in the system