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Democrats Fear Violent Backlash to Illegal Healthcare Legislation

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posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:20 AM
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And once again just in case anyone missed this sentence:

The State may at its option recover amounts up to the total amount spent on the individual's behalf for medical assistance for other services under the state's plan.




posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 09:50 AM
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Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_SmurfNot because what they've heard from some talk show. Give me a break guy.


You can't grasp just how easy it is for them to control your thoughts.

Do you think everyone freaking out about fictional death panels was a coincidence? A rational conclusion to the evidence presented? I bet you were right there on the front lines, scaring everyone with fairy tales of death panels killing grandma. That entire angle was pure media propaganda meant to manipulate you, and you along with many others swallowed it whole because it played to what you want to believe.

Did you ever admit that was all BS, and apologise for misleading people, or just move on to repeating the new BS without a second thought? Realize the cycle you're in, guy.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Risen]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:02 AM
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Originally posted by jerico65
I'm sorry, did you actually read my post??


Originally posted by maybereal11
Cowardice is posting inane rhetoric like this on the internet anonymously...or throwing bricks through windows and running like hell


What's "inane rhetoric" about my statement? Go back and read it again.


Well for starters "my brothers and sisters fighting in Afghanistan" IEDs etc..

I assume when you said brothers and sisters you were speaking figuratively? I do have a brother in Afghanistan...my actual brother...on his third tour there with the special forces. He's fighting for a people to have a political process free of violence...so I am unsure how the fight my brother is fighting in Afghanistan somehow endorses a call for violence in our political process here in the states. Your statement offended me.


Originally posted by maybereal11
No "socialists" involved...no "shots" fired.
Keep anonymously aping the GOP rhetorical theme about firing lines and shots ..yada..yada while talking about cowardice though.



Originally posted by jerico65
Well, the healthcare program can be viewed as something a modern social democrat would plan. They like some things run by the government, some things private.

And twice you mentioned "anonymously". How come?


Reform can be "viewed by some" as a lot of things.
Including an effort to afford our citizens a modicum of the same security in the form of freedom of fear of going bankrupt due to medical circumstances beyond their control that most of the modern democratic world affords their own citizens.

Anonymously?...I have little patience for bravado calling for violence from people that are posting anonymously on an internet forum. It's Ironic.

I will sum it up for you...I LOVE THIS COUNTRY...I LOVE THE CONSTITUTION...I am a fierce patriot and I see the GOP opposition to this bill as flirting with treason in prioritizing corporate interests over the welfare of it's people.

I won't be throwing bricks though.

Capitalism rocks!! It spurs innovation. It rewards hard work.

BUT Disease doesn't care about how innovative you are...cancer doesn't care how hard you work or how much you contribute to society. Cancer kills children and bankrupts the hard working families that love them literally to death.

Caring for our sick is a cornerstone of every society from the birth of man...from tribes to modern day...BUT the good old USA was just to greedy to let that precident stand and made it a profit and loss equatuion.

Disease does not care about the free market...why do we continue to treat it like it does? Like it fits into any capitalistic equation? As if only if someone worked harder they would not get a brain tumor? Why? Greed.

I am an economist by education...I love capitalism....letting people die and go bankrupt within the system serves only greed...it doesn't benefit anyone but the Robber Barrons that run our insurance industry...

[edit on 26-3-2010 by maybereal11]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:07 AM
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Ooops.. I posted on the wrong thread, so I moved it there about the anti-christ Obama.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Fromabove]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:11 AM
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Originally posted by Risen

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_SmurfNot because what they've heard from some talk show. Give me a break guy.


You can't grasp the depths of their control over you. Do you think everyone freaking out about fictional death panels was a coincidence? A rational conclusion to the evidence presented? I bet you were right there on the front lines, scaring everyone with fairy tales of death panels killing grandma.

Did you ever admit it was all BS, and apologise for misleading people, or just move on to repeating these next fabrications? Realize the cycle you're in, guy.


What are these things on my arms...Strings? Wait...How did they get there? How long have they been there? Have I been controlled like a puppet this whole time!? OMG.F! Thank you for showing me this about myself! I need to cut these strings and join you! Show me the way!

seriously though, from all of your posts you seem to have the same response to people. You try to marginalize their opinion by lumping them into a " talk radio zombie " group. You clearly have a vendetta against conservative radio. That said, you are clearly the utmost authority on the truth and your sources cannot be discredited.

Why dont you step up and tell me where I'm wrong in front of everyone here. where have I been wrong about my posts on the backlash of this bill? Have I been calling for violence? No. Have I said that there is no violence? No. What I've said is be careful of your reactions because the people in power can gain strength from violence so don't do anything stupid. Why don't you or anyone else here tell me how that's wrong?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:31 AM
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Some of you people are fudging insane man....



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 10:44 AM
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Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_SmurfWhat are these things on my arms...Strings? Wait...How did they get there? How long have they been there? Have I been controlled like a puppet this whole time!? OMG.F! Thank you for showing me this about myself! I need to cut these strings and join you! Show me the way!

seriously though, from all of your posts you seem to have the same response to people. You try to marginalize their opinion by lumping them into a " talk radio zombie " group. You clearly have a vendetta against conservative radio. That said, you are clearly the utmost authority on the truth and your sources cannot be discredited.


I listen to TV or talk radio, hear manipulative garbage from the MSM, then come online to find droves of people repeating it as if it's been confirmed. It's not a case of everyone coming to the same conclusions at once because it always starts with the media, and when they repeat it enough the public accept it as truth. No matter how many times they lie to you, you never let that interfere with the next crap they feed you.

There's not even two ways about it. People like yourself are repeating verbatim things people on TV have said, after they've said it. I rarely see an original thought on these matters, just people lining up into the two sides prepared by the media, and yes it's made me lose respect for people who fall for it time and time again. As far as "all my posts" being about that, you're just flat out wrong.


Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_SmurfWhy dont you step up and tell me where I'm wrong in front of everyone here. where have I been wrong about my posts on the backlash of this bill? Have I been calling for violence? No. Have I said that there is no violence? No. What I've said is be careful of your reactions because the people in power can gain strength from violence so don't do anything stupid. Why don't you or anyone else here tell me how that's wrong?


We agree on those things. Maybe you should research your target more before you attempt the next character assassination.

All i ever did was point out that what you were saying before about the HCR being an insidious 'foot in the door' began in the media, and is not an opinion you came to on your own.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Risen]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:07 AM
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Originally posted by Risen

Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_SmurfWhat are these things on my arms...Strings? Wait...How did they get there? How long have they been there? Have I been controlled like a puppet this whole time!? OMG.F! Thank you for showing me this about myself! I need to cut these strings and join you! Show me the way!

seriously though, from all of your posts you seem to have the same response to people. You try to marginalize their opinion by lumping them into a " talk radio zombie " group. You clearly have a vendetta against conservative radio. That said, you are clearly the utmost authority on the truth and your sources cannot be discredited.


I listen to TV or talk radio, hear manipulative garbage from the MSM, then come online to find droves of people repeating it as if it's been confirmed. It's not a case of everyone coming to the same conclusions at once because it always starts with the media, and when they repeat it enough the public accept it as truth. No matter how many times they lie to you, you never let that interfere with the next crap they feed you.

There's not even two ways about it. People like yourself are repeating verbatim things people on TV have said, after they've said it. I rarely see an original thought on these matters, just people lining up into the two sides prepared by the media, and yes it's made me lose respect for people who fall for it time and time again. As far as "all my posts" being about that, you're just flat out wrong.


Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_SmurfWhy dont you step up and tell me where I'm wrong in front of everyone here. where have I been wrong about my posts on the backlash of this bill? Have I been calling for violence? No. Have I said that there is no violence? No. What I've said is be careful of your reactions because the people in power can gain strength from violence so don't do anything stupid. Why don't you or anyone else here tell me how that's wrong?


We agree on those things. Maybe you should research your target more before you attempt the next character assassination.


So tell me...Where does your logic end? If you're going to be so bold as to take that stand you apparently go to the source for everything and have no filter. Apparently you're right there along the reporters in the white house daily briefings, you're in the halls of congress listening to the debates, you're right along side of your state representative reading legislation, you're at all rallys you comment on, you're in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, you're there in the supreme court when they are going through their docket. You have to do this because getting your news from a filter just isnt good enough.

As for listening to talk radio I dont. As for listening to the legacy media, I dont. Its all right and left propaganda. If I want to know about something I pick up several books on the matter. Youre argument doesn't work with me so your wasting you time. I'm quite sure I do not repeat things verbatim but things are what they are. You frame your language to get to the point and if there are similarities to what you have heard then so be it. It doesn't make it any less true and you cant use that marginalize someone's argument.

Obligatory thread adherence so I dont draw the ire of the mods again...Please don't threaten government officials. It will make them angry.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:28 AM
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Originally posted by Thirty_Foot_Smurf
seriously though, from all of your posts you seem to have the same response to people. You try to marginalize their opinion by lumping them into a " talk radio zombie " group. You clearly have a vendetta against conservative radio. That said, you are clearly the utmost authority on the truth and your sources cannot be discredited.



Why dont you step up and tell me where I'm wrong in front of everyone here. where have I been wrong about my posts on the backlash of this bill? Have I been calling for violence? No. Have I said that there is no violence? No. What I've said is be careful of your reactions because the people in power can gain strength from violence so don't do anything stupid. Why don't you or anyone else here tell me how that's wrong?



So tell me...Where does your logic end? If you're going to be so bold as to take that stand you apparently go to the source for everything and have no filter. Apparently you're right there along the reporters in the white house daily briefings, you're in the halls of congress listening to the debates, you're right along side of your state representative reading legislation, you're at all rallys you comment on, you're in Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, you're there in the supreme court when they are going through their docket. You have to do this because getting your news from a filter just isnt good enough.


These are all examples of you trying to distort my words and paint me in a certain way that is an extreme exaggeration of anything i've said, and i'm sick of digging through it all to get to anything resembling a valid point.


if there are similarities to what you have heard then so be it. It doesn't make it any less true and you cant use that marginalize someone's argument.


That is a somewhat valid point, finally. Good job. Star for you.

I try very hard to only say that about things that are so far detached from reality that it's impossible for everyone to have come to the same conclusion on their own.

Is free healthcare something you can find in communist countries? Yes

Is Obama a secret Muslim terrorist fist jabbing pinko commie who has a nefarious agenda to crush capitalism and the HCR is just the first step in destroying America? Give me a freaking break.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 11:31 AM
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I haven't kept up with this topic, however.




You can't grasp just how easy it is for them to control your thoughts.



What is you are the one being controlled?

Trust no one.

[edit on 113131p://bFriday2010 by Stormdancer777]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 01:15 PM
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Insidious foot in the door is a rather obvious observation. I conclude many people thought of this with no help from the media.
It makes one feel superior to believe other people are more easily brainwashed and incapable of creative thought.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 01:22 PM
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Originally posted by Risen
Is Obama a secret Muslim terrorist fist jabbing pinko commie who has a nefarious agenda to crush capitalism and the HCR is just the first step in destroying America? Give me a freaking break.


All that is open for debate but he sure has been wearing a lot of purple ties lately hasn't he?

SEIU's colors are purple. Andy Stern is the head of SEIU. Andy stern is on record saying and agreeing with the slogan "workers of the world unite!". Workers of the world unite is the communist slogan. Andy Stern is the top visitor to Obama in the white house. Obama sports purple ties with strange regularity ( Peculiar choice for a president ).

Obligatory content adhering to the thread..Do not threaten your government officials with violence! You might find yourself on national news!

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[edit on 26-3-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 01:40 PM
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Personally they brought it all on themselves. WE THE PEOPLE told them not to pass this monstrosity, but they did not listen. Now in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which connect them to the federal government.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 02:43 PM
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Dont worry, IMO there will be another false flag, or pre-planned war with Iran/N.Korea soon enough, shifting everyones attention off whats really in this illegal HC bill, that will sooner or later doom us all. Not just simply our health, but the hidden agendas inside this secret bill is whats scary. Aint it nice to know a "speed reader" read this bill. Its as easy as a 2 second glance at a full page of words & after 2700 pages this amazing man read the whole bill, probly in 25 minutes...look it up on youtube, If that dont wake people up who are still blind....NOTHING will!
Get ready for your chip implants in the next 5-10 yrs, dont worry, it will make life soooo much easier right? All medical records stored on it, SSC, your ID, passport. Endless info about you stored in your body, how neat!
Its also got GPS tracking in there too, but thats for our safety


Give it 5-10 years
They already pulled off 9/11. The first stage (constucting the "bomb")
Now all these years later we are at stage 2 in the NWO agenda. Gov run healthcare is upon us, & who know what else. (lighting the fuse)

Its only getting worse from here on out. Mindboggeling to imagine what the USA will be like in say 30-50 years. If were even around...



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 03:45 PM
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Originally posted by boondock-saint


Here's more evidence of a Revolution in progress
coming from a famous man in TN by the name
of Larry Gatlin.


"From drug dealer to a congressman, thats a step down." truer words have never been spoken.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 03:46 PM
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Originally posted by amazing

Originally posted by butcherguy
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I am not condoning any threats made to children, of course.

If any children were actually threatened.



Understood. I'm just saying that when an angry citizen leaves an explicit, threatening message at someone's house a child is bound to hear it or at least understand that he or a member of his immediate family may be in danger. There is no need for that, especially when you can leave the same message at the politicians office. This is damaging to the child and there is no excuse for it. Same thing with spitting and yelling racial slurs at congressmen. You can yell and curse a person all you want especially in the context of arguing against what they have done, but to insult in this way goes over the line.


It's the new terrorism... People creating terror because their representative didn't represent them. Sick and wrong. Might as well have anarchy.



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 05:43 PM
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Seems this Dem Supporter was caught in the Act trying to cause trouble . The Facts support it ......



Balmer said he suspects the vandalism might have been aimed at making the GOP look bad.

"This sounds like the type of Democratic tactic from the left fringe trying to make Republicans look mean-spirited," Balmer said. "In this case, it blew up in their face. He was caught red-handed."



www.denverpost.com...



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 05:52 PM
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So if everyone is "so happy"
about this Healthcare crap then why does Nancy polosi have a 8% approval rating in her own district? If everyone was so happy, why isn't her approval rating soaring? BTW her district is San Fransisco. It doesn't get much more liberal than san fran. Those that are saying, "well half the people support this bill' are just flat out liars.

I will also add, the founding fathers founded a REPUBLIC so that the majority couldn't take away the rights of the minority. All you naysayers (I.E. Cowards) can sit back while real men do what you should be doing. Remember only 10% of the population fought in the revolution I foresee the SHTF on april 19th with the million man armed march.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Nicademus] had wrong date.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Nicademus]



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:00 PM
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Originally posted by Zanti Misfit
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Seems this Dem Supporter was caught in the Act trying to cause trouble . The Facts support it ......



Balmer said he suspects the vandalism might have been aimed at making the GOP look bad.

"This sounds like the type of Democratic tactic from the left fringe trying to make Republicans look mean-spirited," Balmer said. "In this case, it blew up in their face. He was caught red-handed."



www.denverpost.com...





Oooops. caught redhanded. Funny how the manager of the office was pointing the finger at those damn radical repubs. Hypocrite much?



posted on Mar, 26 2010 @ 06:22 PM
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Originally posted by maybereal11
Well for starters "my brothers and sisters fighting in Afghanistan" IEDs etc..

I assume when you said brothers and sisters you were speaking figuratively? I do have a brother in Afghanistan...my actual brother...on his third tour there with the special forces. He's fighting for a people to have a political process free of violence...so I am unsure how the fight my brother is fighting in Afghanistan somehow endorses a call for violence in our political process here in the states.


Well, good on your brother. Hope he stays safe. Yes, it's figuratively. Ask your brother that. I'm sure he considers anyone in the fight a brother.

And I've been to both A-stan and Iraq. Anyone fighting is my brother. And I care more about them than some dweeb that's chucking rocks at windows. He can be 8 different ways of pissed off, but breaking a window ain't gonna fix it.

So, see any "call to violence" there?


Originally posted by maybereal11
Your statement offended me.


That happens. Life sucks, sometimes you just have to harden up.


Originally posted by maybereal11
Anonymously?...I have little patience for bravado calling for violence from people that are posting anonymously on an internet forum. It's Ironic.


So do I. Once again, if you can tell me where I told everyone to break windows and "vote from the rooftops", go ahead and knock your bad self out.


Originally posted by maybereal11
I will sum it up for you...I LOVE THIS COUNTRY...I LOVE THE CONSTITUTION...I am a fierce patriot and I see the GOP opposition to this bill as flirting with treason in prioritizing corporate interests over the welfare of it's people.


So do I. And I've actually fought for this country, watched them remove American dead from the battlefield, and watched friends go home wounded.

And I think the bill is just the Dems way of making big government snake it's way a little bit more into everyone's life.


Originally posted by maybereal11
Capitalism rocks!!


It sure does. Like a rock thru a window. (OK, I'm weak and couldn't resist!)


Originally posted by maybereal11
I am an economist by education...I love capitalism....letting people die and go bankrupt within the system serves only greed...it doesn't benefit anyone but the Robber Barrons that run our insurance industry.....


I agree, but I have a problem with the "Robber Barrons" in Congress getting their hands on anything. Crude, but fitting: Congress would screw up a wet dream.

Has anything they done ever worked out right? If Medicare was such a mess, then fix it! If they wanted to make sure that kids were covered, or people with pre-existing conditions were covered, fix it!

And school loans? Just what does that have to do with health care? If they wanted to make some sort of grant program that hinged on kids going to med or nursing school, then make one up! Instead, they slip it in the health care bill.



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