Democrats Fear Violent Backlash to Illegal Healthcare Legislation

Originally posted by Risen

You are aware that every other 1st world country on Earth has had free healthcare for generations and didn't spiral into a communist utopia, right?

I wouldn't consider the USA to be a first world country any more.

All I have to do is take a five minute walk around my neighborhood to see that I may as well be living in a third world country.

reply to post by Southern Guardian
Misery loves company,people like to vent,becareful what you wish for.Do any of these strike a cord.

OH and what better place to bait the real threats to a corrupt government to show there hand in a fit of rage then on a Conspiracy forum or any forum for that matter.

To stay on point the human spicies has always found reason to kill each other and a corrupt goverenment attempting to bring the US into socialism/communism would be more then enough to start.............something.They(Dems) have only just begun with there socialist agenda to create a base to stay in power,atleast now we know who they are and where they are going.



[edit on 25-3-2010 by Battleline]

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Battleline]

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Regarding Quote in OP:

But, as I’ve said, violence and threats are unacceptable. That’s not the American way.

Not only NOT the American way, but unlawful. I’d like to remind everyone that we are a nation of laws and as other posters have correctly pointed out….viloence and threats of violence are illiegal. Those who cross the line shall be prosecuted. Hey folks, they are threatening their families, where they live. Do you condone that? If so, despicable.

I’ve read every post and my favorite voice of reason and clarity:

Originally posted by Kaploink
Yet, every act of violence by the opponents will only increase the support for the bill. As the opponents are more and more marginalized by their violence. As Americans have no love for vandals, thugs or terrorists. It really doesn't matter if they try to wrap violence in the American flag or states rights, it will still be looked down upon by the majority of Americans.

I hope these faux patriots and civil war re-enactor wanna-be's calm down and face reality. If not, they get what they deserve. If you want a revolution, I encourage to do what our forefathers did, go someplace else.

In true OP fashion, veiled threats and inciting rhetoric cloaked by the anonymity of the internet confirms my belief that some Texans have a 10 gallon hat but not an ounce of brains. Careful Cowboy you are frightening the horses.

Inimitable indeed Doc. Thank heaven for that.



[edit on 25-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

reply to post by kinda kurious
Looks like there is a whole new breed of "Shills"now,first it was "you are a racist if you disagree with Obama"now you are terrorist if you are angree about the socialist agenda.

I guess it was OK to bomb things in the 60s by the very people that surround Obama because it was a fight agenst the MAN dude.

Please show me where the families of the Dems being theratened are being threarened.

Looks like Clyburn is now trying to tag the " Terrorist " moniker to dissent now. I'm suprised that he didn't call them racists for good measure.

www.youtube.com...

Didnt Hillary Clinton go off like a harpee when her dissent against Bush was challenged?

www.youtube.com...


[edit on 25-3-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

Originally posted by riddle6
If backlash is truly that bad, maybe the Democrats should have never even passed the Healthcare Bill. Maybe they should have taken a hint

Ignorance...

Shall we now determine our course out of fear? I am fairly certain that mindset is contrary to our founding fathers intent.

Were the attacks of 9-11 deserved as well? A consequence and natural violent outcome of our policies in the world? Shall we heed the message and change course? Violence works?

These attacks are cowardice from not the American people, but from a subset of fringe right extremists who were gullible enough to believe without reservation the rhetoric they were fed.

After the election of President Barack Obama, the far right retreated entirely from debate on the issues and instead appealed directly to base emotion...anger and fear...

and the GOP supported by corporate lobbyists interested in opposing even a moderate agenda or environmental, financial or healthcare regulation and reform has been looking to exploit the base emotions their fringe embraces in any way they can through rhetoric.

Constitutional, founding fathers, principles, real America, values ....these are nothing more than strategic buzz words to these people.

Appeal to the anger and fear...use the language of violence and intolerance...distance yourself quickly and carefully when extremists take you seriously...repeat.

The GOP wants the far right's money and votes and they are trying desperately to speak their language without having to take responsibility for it.

It's a dangerous game.

The family tree of the GOP "Lizard Brain" strategy...the philosophy...appeal to base emotion in the belief it will always override rational thought.

Father of the strategy
Lee Atwater...Political genius of the GOP. The first to prove that you didn't have to worry about the issues to win...just appeal to base emotion, divide, push buttons...Race, Fear, Religion...divide...enrage.

Fascinating man...invented the "push poll" by the way. He ran a poll question is SC when McCain was running against GW for the primary...

"Would you feel differently about John McCain if you knew that he had fathered a black child with a prostitute?"

He also was responsible for the "Willie Horton" ad.

Must watch...it's short...Boogie Man film trailer about Lee Atwater
www.boogiemanfilm.com...

Ready for the punch line?

Atwater hired and then mentored two men during his career....

Karl Rove.....Gay marriage anyone? Really? A more important issue than taxes? wars? economy? Karl Rove bet on it and won....Distract, divide, enrage ....and the gay marriage debate has been front and center ever since. To this day Karl Rove is giggly proud of that slight of hand.

Who was the other strategist that Atwater mentored? Roger Ailes...Currently President and CEO of the Fox News Channel

Not conspiracy or liberal fantasy, but history. Look up the bios on these men, read about Atwater...it's all there. Google Atwater, Ailes, Rove...learn thier philosophy, because our current national discourse is being dictated by it.

In the end I abhor this strategy of appealing to base emotions...the assumption that the worst emotions in us will always triumph over rational thought...because it assumes the worst in people...this is what they think of us..."lizard brains".

In the end Atwater came full circle and repented...Rove, Ailes and his other "philosophical children" dismissed his last words as the ravings of a dying man. I disagree.

"Long before I was struck with cancer, I felt something stirring in American society," he said. "It was a sense among the people of the country -- Republicans and Democrats alike -- that something was missing from their lives, something crucial. I was trying to position the Republican Party to take advantage of it. But I wasn't exactly sure what 'it' was. My illness helped me to see that what was missing in society is what was missing in me: a little heart, a lot of brotherhood."

Also see Atwater's Gone But His Song Lives On
themoderatevoice.com...


Left, right, in the middle...no one deserves to be manipulated.

Just my 2 cents.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by maybereal11]

Shouldn't they be fearful? I believe as more and more people see the direction our country is going, they will continue to wake up. As people wake up and realize the fact that our freedoms and liberties are being erased more and more on a daily basis, violence may become the norm.

reply to post by whatukno

Why do you assume that simply because someone or anyone disagrees with you their minds were made up by fox news. That is extremely closed minded.
But I do know your view of the term WELFARE as referred to in the constitution was definitely shaped by the democratic party. In order to find out the meaning of WELFARE
you must refer to the federalist papers which you obviously did not do. And it has nothing at all to do with healthcare.
Anyway the constitution says provide for the common defense and PROMOTE the general welfare.

Its now a two way street. It always has been except in the eyes of the MSM

Eric Cantor’s office shot up

The Republicans are being targeted as well.

I guess the first shots have been fired across all bows.

This november is going to be a interesting time in the US.

After doing some quick chatting with non-conspiracy libs and cons, I am finding out some interesting results. Seems the whole insanity foaming at the mouth thing isn't going over very well with the moderates.

If health care was stalled until after the elections, the Reps would have won alot...most people were sick and tired of the process and fights. Now that its passed and yesterdays news, people are watching the reactions.

Fear will probably play a part in the elections...but right now, the moderates are fearing these lunatics and what party they are representing.

I wonder what will happen to the fringe if all this backfired and the left got even more seats than the original supermajority. I personally am a fan of balance, but constructive balance, not stalemates.

reply to post by Doc Velocity

Can you tell me what's wrong with the Republican response to these "threats" against Democrats?

It's not ONLY Republicans pissed off about this.. I'm registered to the Libertarian party, I'm pretty pissed. My fiance who is a nurse and a Dem is pissed off about this bill. If you look at forums all over the web, people red blue and white (independent) are pissed off about this.

Honestly.. the only people supporting this bill are party line voters who don't care about issues, have never read the bill, or are supporters of Fascism.

Honestly I cannot believe they are surprised by violent backlashes..

Originally posted by Battleline
Please show me where the families of the Dems being theratened are being threarened.

Rochester/Niagara Falls, N.Y. -- The same day a brick crashed through her Niagara Falls office, Rep. Louise Slaughter (D) says her staff discovered an assassination threat aimed at her family members. The Democratic headquarters in Rochester was also targeted.

theview.abc.go.com...

Western Pa. Rep. Threatened After Voting 'Yes' On Health Care...U.S. Rep. Kathy Dahlkemper's office told Channel 4 Action News that someone sent a fax saying, "You will never sleep through the night again" and calling her a traitor.

www.thepittsburghchannel.com...

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A local congresswoman said she fears for her family because she voted for the massive health care reform bill approved by the U.S. House this week.....One e-mail suggests that the congresswoman do the nation a favor and commit suicide. Another tells her and her family to rot in hell.

www.clickorlando.com...

Need a little toast to go with that egg on your face?


[edit on 25-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by jibeho
Eric Cantor’s office shot up

Amid the allegation that his office was shot at, everyone seems to be missing Cantor's point. These handful of incidents (each of which is deplorable, un-American and those responsible should be persecuted to the fullest extent of the law) are being exploited for political gain. There has always been an inkling of political violence and there always will be. However, certain politicians now see an opening to exploit it, to demonize, de-legitimize and silence their opponents and critics. Those in these forums who celebrate the violence or condone it, are playing right into their hands. It is a very simple thing for any of those looking to exploit the violence or threats to point to certain members of this forum, then claim they are representative the opposition, rather than a bleating, ignorant minority.

And Cantor is right in that those politicians are playing with fire. By driving a wedge between the American people, trying to marginalize a sizeable group and demonizing them, they are inciting further violence.

How long before they insist neighbors report anyone meaning them (the govt.) harm. Or insist you keep an eye out for "domestic terrorists" who appear overly patriotic?

Originally posted by butcherguy
I wouldn't consider the USA to be a first world country any more.

All I have to do is take a five minute walk around my neighborhood to see that I may as well be living in a third world country.

That is probably one of the most ridiculous and ignorant examples of hyperbole I've ever seen on ATS. And that is saying a lot. You have no idea how good you have it and how terrible living conditions in many third world countries is. That you can sit on a computer and whine is a luxury most in third world countries don't have.

Pardon me if I sound disdainful but that comment deserves disdain.

reply to post by DoomsdayRex
Pardon me if I say that you are the ignorant one.

Not picking a fight, but you don't know how 'good' I have it.

You also don't know where I live.

You don't know how many third world countries I have visited or under what circumstances.

Not knowing IS ignorance.

It is rather easy for you rich people to sit at your computer and tell me how 'good' I have it.

BTW- I don't even own a computer.



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[edit on 25-3-2010 by butcherguy]

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
And Cantor is right in that those politicians are playing with fire. By driving a wedge between the American people, trying to marginalize a sizeable group and demonizing them, they are inciting further violence.

I must disagree. You infer that violence is somehow justified. Arguably it could be rationalized perhaps as a last resort. Well the American people are not without options yet. They can still VOTE.

By condoning/accepting violence, you seem to imply that what is considered as an unpopular decision by some warrants barbaric behavior. I simply can't agree.

“When liberty comes with hands dabbled in blood it is hard to shake hands with her.” - Oscar Wilde

[edit on 25-3-2010 by kinda kurious]

Originally posted by jibeho
Eric Cantor’s office shot up

From the link..

I’m seeing reports this morning that Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) had one of his offices shot at on Monday night. Cantor, of the Jewish faith, is #2 Republican in the House of Representatives and was responsible for ensuring our caucus united against Obamacare.

Now I will be careful here...but has it occured to anyone that Eric Cantor, being of the "Jewish faith" and the #2 gop leader in the fight to stop Healthcare Reform ...from Virginia...

Is it possible that his office was not attacked by extremist democrats, but rather extremist conservatives displeased with the bills's passage?

Originally posted by maybereal11

Originally posted by jibeho
Eric Cantor’s office shot up

From the link..

I’m seeing reports this morning that Rep. Eric Cantor (R-Va.) had one of his offices shot at on Monday night. Cantor, of the Jewish faith, is #2 Republican in the House of Representatives and was responsible for ensuring our caucus united against Obamacare.

Now I will be careful here...but has it occured to anyone that Eric Cantor, being of the "Jewish faith" and the #2 gop leader in the fight to stop Healthcare Reform ...from Virginia...

Is it possible that his office was not attacked by extremist democrats, but rather extremist conservatives displeased with the bills's passage?

Wow, this is scary. Its s good thing he didnt actually vote for it. There no telling what those crazy conservatives would have done. Or maybe these conservatives were so far right they came back around to the left and were mad at him for voting against it? I dunno these sorts of things make my head spin.

[edit on 25-3-2010 by Thirty_Foot_Smurf]

reply to post by Kram09


And that is the statement of the century, see I was one of those that voted Democrat and for Obama so what is next for me? I did it because my discontent with the Republicans.

The reason people are getting angry and violent is because is not future solution within both parties elites at all.

Then what can a population do next . . . they turn against the tyranny. . .