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Originally posted by Matrix Rising
Government steals more capital and wealth from the people then anyone yet liberals and progressives think the Government is almighty.
The liberals and progressives want the government to control every aspect of our lives because to them government knows best.
Isn't government knowing best an anti American sentiment?
Obama said in a 2001 interview that the Constitution was fundamentally flawed because it restrains government and it doesn't talk about the redistribution of wealth.
The Founders restrained and tied the hands of government because they didn't want one man or a government dictating to people how to live their lives.
There will always be a split between those who trust themselves to manage their lives and those who want and trust a big government to manage their lives.
Where do all our tax dollars go? According to a new study by the Tax Foundation, many of them flow from richer states to poorer ones, and from the Northeast and the West Coast to the interior. As a result, Republican-leaning states overwhelmingly gain revenue from high taxes, whereas Democratic-leaning states tend to lose money. A raft of what might be called "Republican welfare states"—twenty-four in all—receive more per capita from Washington than their citizens render in taxes, yet nevertheless voted for the tax-slashing George W. Bush in 2000.
They steal the taxes they get for Medicare and S.S. and replace it with I.O.U.'s and this is why both programs are in trouble. They are pyramid schemes.
They have us in over 14 trillion dollars in debt, 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities and they borrow, waste and spend constantly.
I hear these liberals complaining about Capitalism yet many of them are rich because of capitalism. They want the slaves to live in a socialist country while they still bask in the freedom of Capitalism.
None of the things they pass in Congress will apply to them. They will always make sure they have loopholes that exclude them.
When you live in freedom and liberty there will always be an imbalance because some people will work hard and build a business while others will party their life away. This is freedom.
What the liberals and progressives want is to try to stop this imbalance through redistribution of wealth and an almighty government. What they don't see is this way of thinking is truly anti -liberty and anti-freedom.
In a free society your going to have people who don't take care of themselves and people who don't make it. If you try to regulate society to fix this imbalance that comes with a free society you will eventually have a slave nation instead of a free nation.
Originally posted by Mikemp44
reply to post by Solasis
However this is life, we have givers and we have takers. Unregulated, free-market capitalism does a great job of balancing these two groups of people in our society
socialism would simply make us all takers relying on big government to give. Let us not become lethargic and fat with the BS they feed us .
What you and others are doing is called class envy.
You worry about what a C.E.O. gets paid but this is do to a lack of understanding of economics.
We have a strong middle class so if everyone doesn't make it, they can still live a good life.
You mentioned Germany and Japan. Germany's GDP is 3.65 trillion Japan's GDP is 4.91 trillion America GDP is 14.2 trillion
What people don't realize when you have an Apple, Microsoft or Google making billions of dollars this makes the economy better. This is why our GDP is 14 trillion.
So yes people who start a business make billions of dollars but you have a strong middle class.
Everyone is not going to make it in a free society. People will try to be actors or start a business and fail but our economy can handle this because we have a strong middle class.
I'm so sick of Americans wanting America to be Europe or some other socialist country when we have it so well here.
We have a 14 trillion dollar GDP but now we have a 14 trillion dollar debt with over 100 trillion in unfunded liabilities. We also have close to 10% unemployment.
Massive Government and massive debt is destroying this country. All of these social programs are due to crooked politicians and a liberal ideology that's anti American.
America is built on the God given liberty of the individual not a nanny state that buries our children in debt.
Liberals don't get the concept of freedom and like you said their are both democrats and republicans who are liberals.
Liberals don't realize a nanny state is anti freedom.
They say a person needs to pay them so they can redistribute the wealth. I have heard liberals say,"He makes x amount of dollars so why shouldn't he want to pay a little more in taxes."
Again, a liberal doesn't understand freedom.
If a billionaire wants to be Scrooge McDuck then in a free society he has every right to be and you can't force him to give you money.
Liberals want to tell you what to eat, what car to drive and how you should use energy.
They think if you just think and act like them then you would be better off. They think they know what's best for you.
In a free society people can live their lives in ways that you wouldn't and you can't force them through big government to live like you.
No, we believe that the government should be a voice and the will of the people against the hegemony of international corporations that rape and take from you many times more than the government ever will.
Social Security to pay more in benefits this year than it takes in
The Social Security system this year will pay out more in benefits than it receives in payroll taxes, The New York Times reports, quoting the Congressional Budget Office.
The switch comes six years earlier than expected, The Times says.
The newspaper quotes Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, as saying payments have risen more than expected during the recession because jobs disappeared and people applied for benefits sooner than they had planned.
At the same time, he says, there are fewer paychecks to tax.
Now that coverage of health care reform is fading from the news, it is being replaced with increased coverage of Social Security. That is appropriate, but most of the articles, currently being published totally ignore the most urgent problem facing Social Security. That problem is the fact that, every dollar of the $2.5 trillion in surplus Social Security revenue, generated by the 1983 payroll tax hike has already been spent by the government. The trust fund contains no real assets. It is empty!
We don't want government to control everything, we just want to make sure that the government allows the individual citizen the freedom to succeed without an oppressive corporate/class system that stifles upward movement and consolidates power into the few.
Not true. That's quote mined. Reading a conversation in full, in context, is a great way to educate yourself. I doubt that this thread is an ends to that means.
Seven years before Barack Obama's "spread the wealth" comment to Joe the Plumber became a GOP campaign theme, the Democratic presidential candidate said in a radio interview the U.S. has suffered from a fundamentally flawed Constitution that does not mandate or allow for redistribution of wealth.
But, the Supreme Court never ventured into the issues of redistribution of wealth, and of more basic issues such as political and economic justice in society. To that extent, as radical as I think people try to characterize the Warren Court, it wasn't that radical. It didn't break free from the essential constraints that were placed by the Founding Fathers in the Constitution, at least as it's been interpreted, and the Warren Court interpreted in the same way, that generally the Constitution is a charter of negative liberties. Says what the states can't do to you. Says what the federal government can't do to you, but doesn't say what the federal government or state government must do on your behalf.
What you are supporting is theft from this generation and future generations because you love big government.
Liberalism is a cancer that's destroying this country.
It's sad when you hear liberals because they don't understand how are country works.
Obama wants redistribution of wealth and "economic justice."
Obama is clearly a radical like Wright, Ayers and others.
Matrix, is citing S.S. and medicare's shortfalls meant to imply these programs that help our elderly and children are bad ideas? Does the fact that there was some mishandling of funds or bad math mean we should have never had programs that help children get medical care or keep old people from dying of starvation?
You cited Stephen Goss, chief actuary of the Social Security Administration, as saying payments have risen more than expected during the recession because jobs disappeared and people applied for benefits sooner than they had planned.
Jobs did disappear, but why and how? Could it be that greedy corporations, in an attempt to save a buck for themselves, said "Screw Americans, let's ship these jobs overseas to get cheaper slave labor and avoid US taxes!" Could it be the failed conservative idea of trickle down economics? The ridiculous idea that the more money rich people have the more they create jobs. Unfortunately we tried that and it resulted in 70% of the nations wealth ending up in the hands of the top 2% while private sector job creation has been shedding jobs ever since. Trickle down economics turned out to be a ploy to enrich the top at the expense of the middle class.
What would America look like if we took away those "nanny state" programs? Well, let's see. First grandma would never make it to have her plug pulled. She would be broke the second she retired. She would have to work to make a living until she dropped dead. There would be an unfathomable amount of uninsured children, elderly, and veterans dying from treatable illnesses. There would be so many poor and homeless that their cardboard box homes would replace houses. Millions would die. What a wonderful world! I am sure God intended the liberty he gave to his children to look like this.
The first mistake you make is that you try to appeal to emotion.
This is what liberals do because their policies are so bad. Government greed has nothing to do with helping the poor or the elderly.
Social Security and Medicare are bankrupting this country because they are pyramid schemes.
S.S. and Medicare are pyramid schemes. They depend on workers at the bottom of the pyramid to pay out benefits to those at the top of the pyramid.
Our government depends on a certain percentage of people dying before they reach the top of the pyramid.
The baby boomers have thrown a monkey wrench into this pyramid scheme. They are living longer and this means the top of the pyramid starts to widen. So you can try to add new workers to the system. Bush tried with immigration reform. Or you can ration out healthcare and kill a bunch of people to try and close the top of the pyramid ad this is what Obamacare will try to do.
What needs to occur is the age of eligibility needs to be raised for people under 40 like myself and these programs need to be phased out unless the money is put into secure bonds or in a place where government can't touch it.
What you don't understand is these programs will bankrupt the country because of greedy politicians spending the money that's collected for these programs and replacing the money with I.O.U.'s.
This is S.S., Medicare and this new Obamacare. They will collect new taxes for 4 years to pay for Obamacare but the government will spend the money. When it comes time for the majority of Obamacare benefits to go into effect in 2014, the government will borrow the money, tax and depend on new people mandated into the system to pay the benefits.
The sad thing is, many people fall for these lies from government because they cover their lies by appealing to emotion.
Hitler said: It's a fortunate thing for Governments that the people don't think."
He also said: "People are generally stupid, if you repeat the same slogans again and again they will eventually believe it."
Sadly, this is true.
You also talk about jobs being shipped overseas. You do know Clinton and the Democrats are some of the strongest supporters of free trade?
It makes no sense to cry about corporations sending jobs overseas because it's good business. Corporations are in the business of making money and if they can make more money by moving a plant to India then they will.