UFO in Sydney Australia

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G'day Superiorraw

I am glad you found this interesting

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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Hi first post ever. Only joined to respond to this. The witness has stated clearly that she was not inside the car when she took the photos. yet your analysis concludes that there were "gunk" of sorts on the windscreen did she admit she was inside the car?

Not attacking your analysis just want to know if she changed her story


[edit on 26-3-2010 by phatpackage]

CHRLZ

By the way, I also have a (slightly tongue in cheek) theory about what the source of the smudge might be, if it is in fact something on the windscreen.. Hereabouts we have fruitbats, and their droppings are usually about 1" or so in diameter, and deep orangey brown (and very acidic on paintwork). I guess that is dependent on diet, but what's the go down in Sydney - do you folks have the same problem?

Yes we do. Infact thats highly plausable, may infact explain the 'blob' itself
If indeed it is moving. (A flying bat) Or bat /bird crap.

Well done on the Investigation 'Maybe' Long live UFO CSI
Iquite appreaciate the intelligent, honest and 'realistic' manner of debunkers on this one, It really has been, a cut above the rest!
I hope to see more such threads on this website, not just about Ufos but the whole range of issues.
Keep on unravelling the truth folk, great work!

Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

Hi first post ever. Only joined to respond to this. The witness has stated clearly that she was not inside the car when she took the photos. yet your analysis concludes that there were "gunk" of sorts on the windscreen did she admit she was inside the car?

Not attacking your analysis just want to know if she changed her story

G'day phatpackage

The witness stated to me several times very clearly that she was not in the car when she took the photos.

The witness stated she was leaning against the front of the car facing forward when she took the photos.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

reply to post by internos


G'day internos

Thank you for confirming you have received the photos & thank you for confirming they appear useful for analysis.

We await your wisdom

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by FireMoon
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

I know this is a right pain, but can you ask MS Hartigan to t ake a picture through her car window using her iphone from both the passenger and driver's seat?

Ta muchly...

G'day FireMoon

The witness used my iPhone to take those pictures for you.

There are some interesting marks, albeit no obvious relections due to the different light conditions.

I will have a good look at these before I post them tomorrow morning.

I will also send them to Internos right now for his review.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by Maybe...maybe not

 

It seems Fiona has left.
Tell us, what's the streetlight situation there.

G'day Phage

All of these lights are streetlights, as per my daylight photos & my inspection of the site.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/6d1eea5be336.jpg[/atsimg]

Please let me know if I can offer any further info you feel might be useful.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

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my story has not changed this is just an other theroy / opinon i was out of my car leaning on the bonet and im sorry Maybe..maybe not your recreation photos never came out the way you wanted them to but REALY
sticking gum to your windscreen and taking shots with an IPHONE if thats what you call an investagation then excluding the truth than i think i have brought this to the rong peoples attention maybe the investagater from the american goverment who is ariveing monday can get to the bottom of it

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I thank you for taking the time to do this, bravo

Did Fiona drive her PT Cruiser? Silver right? Did you get a glimpse at the interior? My guess is that the interior is white and that a beam caused the reflection we're seeing.

Preliminary report on exif data on raw images: i have to state beforehand that the images were processed through Picasa 3.0:
however, EXIF data are almost complete: something is missing.
This is the full sequence in low res, of course its purpose is just to show the sequence, NOT in real time: just assigned some arbitrary 1,00 second/framerate, just to make the point:


Image #1:
Camera: Apple iPhone 3G
Exposure: Auto exposure, Program AE, f/2.8
Flash: No flash function
Date: March 21, 2010 7:18:37PM (timezone not specified)
(4 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes, 26 seconds ago, assuming an image timezone of US Pacific)

File: 1,200 × 1,600 JPEG (1.9 megapixels) 632,743 bytes (0.60 megabytes)

EXIF

Aperture Value 2.8
Color Space sRGB
Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, -
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Create Date 2010:03:21 19:18:37
4 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Date/Time Original 2010:03:21 19:18:37
4 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Exif Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
Exif Version 0221
Exposure Mode Auto
Exposure Program Program AE
F Number 2.8
Flash No flash function
Flashpix Version 0100
Image Unique ID f1a35aadc955b73053d8a33a87f2ba7a
Make Apple
Metering Mode Average
Camera Model Name iPhone 3G
Modify Date 2010:03:21 19:18:37
4 days, 10 hours, 59 minutes, 26 seconds ago
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Sensing Method One-chip color area
Software Picasa 3.0
Thumbnail Length 7,556
White Balance Auto
Y Cb Cr Positioning Centered

File — basic information derived from the file.

Bits Per Sample 8
Color Components 3
Current IPTC Digest d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Exif Byte Order Little-endian (Intel, II)
File Size 618 kB
File Type JPEG
Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
MIME Type image/jpeg
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)

Image #2:
Camera: Apple iPhone 3G
Exposure: Auto exposure, Program AE, f/2.8
Flash: No flash function
Date: March 21, 2010 7:18:41PM (timezone not specified)
(4 days, 11 hours, 12 minutes, 4 seconds ago, assuming an image timezone of US Pacific)

EXIF

Aperture Value 2.8
Color Space sRGB
Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, -
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Create Date 2010:03:21 19:18:41
4 days, 11 hours, 12 minutes, 4 seconds ago
Date/Time Original 2010:03:21 19:18:41
4 days, 11 hours, 12 minutes, 4 seconds ago
Exif Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
Exif Version 0221
Exposure Mode Auto
Exposure Program Program AE
F Number 2.8
Flash No flash function
Flashpix Version 0100
GPS Altitude 0 m
GPS Altitude Ref Above Sea Level
GPS Latitude 33.915630 degrees
GPS Latitude Ref South
GPS Longitude 150.953140 degrees
GPS Longitude Ref East
GPS Version ID 0.0.2.2
Image Unique ID 9067d16632503b6d540906d6277887c0
Make Apple
Metering Mode Average
Camera Model Name iPhone 3G
Modify Date 2010:03:21 19:18:41
4 days, 11 hours, 12 minutes, 4 seconds ago
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Sensing Method One-chip color area
Software Picasa 3.0
Thumbnail Length 7,198
White Balance Auto
Y Cb Cr Positioning Centered

File — basic information derived from the file.

Bits Per Sample 8
Color Components 3
Current IPTC Digest d41d8cd98f00b204e9800998ecf8427e
Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Exif Byte Order Little-endian (Intel, II)
File Size 611 kB
File Type JPEG
Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
MIME Type image/jpeg
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)


Image #3:
Camera: Apple iPhone 3G
Exposure: Auto exposure, Program AE, f/2.8
Flash: No flash function
Date: March 21, 2010 7:18:52PM (timezone not specified)
(4 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes, 16 seconds ago, assuming an image timezone of US Pacific)

EXIF

Aperture Value 2.8
Color Space sRGB
Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, -
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Create Date 2010:03:21 19:18:52
4 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes, 16 seconds ago
Date/Time Original 2010:03:21 19:18:52
4 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes, 16 seconds ago
Exif Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
Exif Version 0221
Exposure Mode Auto
Exposure Program Program AE
F Number 2.8
Flash No flash function
Flashpix Version 0100
GPS Altitude 9 m
GPS Altitude Ref Above Sea Level
GPS Dilution Of Precision 1
GPS Latitude 33.915500 degrees
GPS Latitude Ref South
GPS Longitude 150.953833 degrees
GPS Longitude Ref East
GPS Time Stamp 19:18:52.04
Make Apple
Metering Mode Average
Camera Model Name iPhone 3G
Modify Date 2010:03:21 19:18:52
4 days, 11 hours, 14 minutes, 16 seconds ago
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Sensing Method One-chip color area
Software 3.1.2
Thumbnail Length 7,527
White Balance Auto
Y Cb Cr Positioning Centered

File — basic information derived from the file.

Bits Per Sample 8
Color Components 3
Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Exif Byte Order Big-endian (Motorola, MM)
File Size 626 kB
File Type JPEG
Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
MIME Type image/jpeg
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)



Image #4:
Camera: Apple iPhone 3G
Exposure: Auto exposure, Program AE, f/2.8
Flash: No flash function
Date: March 21, 2010 7:19:05PM (timezone not specified)
(4 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes, 44 seconds ago, assuming an image timezone of US Pacific)

EXIF

Aperture Value 2.8
Color Space sRGB
Components Configuration Y, Cb, Cr, -
Compression JPEG (old-style)
Create Date 2010:03:21 19:19:05
4 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes, 44 seconds ago
Date/Time Original 2010:03:21 19:19:05
4 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes, 44 seconds ago
Exif Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
Exif Version 0221
Exposure Mode Auto
Exposure Program Program AE
F Number 2.8
Flash No flash function
Flashpix Version 0100
GPS Altitude 8 m
GPS Altitude Ref Above Sea Level
GPS Dilution Of Precision 3
GPS Latitude 33.915500 degrees
GPS Latitude Ref South
GPS Longitude 150.953833 degrees
GPS Longitude Ref East
GPS Time Stamp 19:19:04.87
Make Apple
Metering Mode Average
Camera Model Name iPhone 3G
Modify Date 2010:03:21 19:19:05
4 days, 11 hours, 17 minutes, 44 seconds ago
Orientation Horizontal (normal)
Resolution 72 pixels/inch
Sensing Method One-chip color area
Software 3.1.2
Thumbnail Length 7,493
White Balance Auto
Y Cb Cr Positioning Centered

File — basic information derived from the file.

Bits Per Sample 8
Color Components 3
Encoding Process Baseline DCT, Huffman coding
Exif Byte Order Big-endian (Motorola, MM)
File Size 669 kB
File Type JPEG
Image Size 1,600 × 1,200
MIME Type image/jpeg
Y Cb Cr Sub Sampling YCbCr4:2:0 (2 2)



Image #5:
Image # 5 does not contain any EXIF data.
Maybe...maybe not is going to make the original files available for everyone

reply to post by missfee


G'day missfee

Thank you again for your kind & courteous attention when we met this afternoon.

I am very pleased the American expert is visiting you on Monday.

It will be interesting to see if he can exclude prosaic causes for that which is shown in your photographs.

It will also be interesting to know the conclusions of Bill Chalker.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

reply to post by cripmeister


the interior of my pt cruiser is dark gray and material not even leather i was out of the car i have asked this before could the reflection be a car coming towards me from behind could that make the reflection you are all talking about apear in the pic

Originally posted by missfee
reply to post by phatpackage

 

my story has not changed this is just an other theroy / opinon i was out of my car leaning on the bonet and im sorry Maybe..maybe not your recreation photos never came out the way you wanted them to but REALY
sticking gum to your windscreen and taking shots with an IPHONE if thats what you call an investagation then excluding the truth than i think i have brought this to the rong peoples attention maybe the investagater from the american goverment who is ariveing monday can get to the bottom of it

G'day again missfee

Remember that I said the only way to prove that you witnessed & photographed something exotic is to try to prove it isn't something "normal".

What I posted were my thoughts as to the most likely "normal" causes for that which we see on your photos.

I did not state you were misrpresenting the photos & your sighting.

I was very careful not to do that.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

Originally posted by Phage
Claims: It happened "within a few seconds". She was out of the car.

The two photos are taken from two different locations as can be seen by the bright sunlight shining through the clouds. Notice in the "far" shot, the bright spot is in the middle of the large tree. In the "near" shot it is to the upper left of the tree. The near shot is taken further up the road than the far shot. She seems to have covered a pretty good distance in a "few seconds", on foot.

EXIF data conclusively estabilished that you were right since page #1 of this thread, at least about the location if compared with some possible movement.
Here's it in real time:

: according to EXIF data the sighting lasted for 28 seconds (lol, thanks MMN, lolol).


Date: March 21, 2010 7:18:37PM
Date: March 21, 2010 7:18:41PM
Date: March 21, 2010 7:18:52PM
Date: March 21, 2010 7:19:05PM

It has many features consistent with the theory that's something stuck on some transparent surface, stuff on the windshield maybe, but it's really hard to say. Some movements occurred between the shots.



[edit on 26/3/2010 by internos]

Another take...


[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/4379f6da8c2c.gif[/atsimg]

American Version
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/e17cdd70596c.jpg[/atsimg]

Australian Version
[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/8288c931a12e.jpg[/atsimg]

They start young these days, its quite common.

[atsimg]http://files.abovetopsecret.com/images/member/eb50a6cc7ce2.jpg[/atsimg]

reply to post by missfee


Thank you Fiona. You car is silver no? Inside your car, the beam on the drivers side (dividing front/back doors) has an area where the paint is exposed right?

Fiona, please don't be offended with our ramblings here on ATS, we're just curious people

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I get 28 seconds, her iPhone is set to 12 hour clock AM/PM.

[edit on 26-3-2010 by cripmeister]

reply to post by internos


G'day Internos

I posted the files on Rapidshare.

I must sign off now....I will see how all this is going tomorrow morning.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

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I believe she said she was 5'2" and it took 8-seconds to snap all five photos.
There was/is no mention of any other photo (that the MSM failed to show, as someone said earlier)

And Wayabove.....your animated ditty you did, is great! But you know what? From that prospective it really looks like she shot these photos from outdoors.


I know this 'inside/outside the car' thing is getting to be a bit much but as trivial as this aspect is (and the amount of energy we've exhausted on it)....it's really quite an important piece of this story.

My gut tells me she's not faking. But my head is fighting with my gut throughout this entire caper! This is a real tough one!


[edit on 26-3-2010 by TwoPhish]

Post removed by Maybe...maybe not

[edit on 26-3-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]

reply to post by cripmeister


G'day cripmeister

Yep.....we just picked up that seconds / minutes error & corrected it.

Kind regards
Maybe...maybe not