reply to post by azzllin
Thank you for your thorough & well expressed reply!
I read your post on p55 with interest, and to be totally honest, and without trying to be a dick, I find your conclusions to be at best speculative
The use of the word ”speculative”
is a matter of opinion & open to ”speculation”
again because it can be done, does not mean it was.
…..as is always the case with such things.
I find it upsetting that instead of using the alleged sighting and that incident alone, that every aspect it seems of this woman's history is being
used to debunk one event, there are many members on here who are interested and follow different phenomena with interest, more than casual interest in
It is important that all information is considered, including any previous extraordinary claims by a witness.
The claims made by the woman while being a little over the top it seems should not allow any investigation be soured into being called a hoax without
definitive proof of it being so.
I agree….& for the record, I did not know about the witness' previous extraordinary claims when I made my initial conclusions.
How many times have we seen a member comment they would love to see something for themselves?
We have seen that on myriad occasions.
some of us are lucky enough to have been in such a position, being into a subject and living it are totally different
2 questions arise from this:
What are you assuming about my own beliefs & experiences?
What do you mean when you say ”living it”
for instance in one of your comparison pictures you can clearly see the front of the car
I took that from my own car, whilst with the witness, with an iPhone of exactly the same model & spec as the iPhone used by the witness to take her
I intentionally ensured I included part of my own car in the picture, for context.
if the camera moved up I guess you would see the interior roof of the car
If the camera was moved or tilted enough in the right direction(s), ”you would see the interior roof of the car”
that is not seen in her images, no wipers nothing to show it was inside a car apart
I spent time looking at that aspect, whilst sitting inside the witness’ car, with the witness, viewing through both our iPhones. The witness & I
could clearly see it was easy to take photos through the windscreen whilst not showing any part of the car. The very wide field of view of the iPhone
confounds the “expected” geometry somewhat until you get used to it, as per the original witness’ images & the witness’ initial consternation
of the inclusion of the streetlight in the top right-hand corner of the image.
from some lighting anomalies, which cant be explained away with 100% certainty.
There were many ”lighting anomalies”
. Can you please clarify this comment? (many thanks)
I have total respect for the lengths you have gone in this case, you have done what many others should do before offering up some of the crazy
explanations they do, you have offered some very good results for the work you have carried out
Thank you for your kind & positive words!
but I have to ask, is any of it 100% conclusive, or is there still a % that she could be right and did as she has said?
I think about that a lot…..
My position has always been that ”there still a % that she could be right and did as she has said”
However, I think that % chance is so small that I came to the conclusions I did.
I should also point out that I know that area very well. I have travelled that road many, many times myself. It is an extremely busy road, in an
extremely busy area, inclusive of an extremely busy & well utilized airport that is VERY
close by. I think it is extremely unlikely that
something as dramatic as this could have occurred & yet there were no other witnesses to the “event”.
I have found in the past that some witnesses have changed their stories, not however to cover something up, but because at the time they felt they
needed to give an explanation of how they reacted and what they did, so changed some of the story so as not to look foolish, but by doing so have cast
doubt over their story, yet when an investigation was carried out, the only part of the story that did not fit was the change of their version of
events, then other witnesses where found and interviewed, and that is all it was, a version of events which had them worried if they spoke up would
make them seem crazy, so they changed some details.
I don’t think that happened, in this instance.
I doubt there is a single person on this site who has something in their closet they would not want it going into the public domain things which to
the rest of us are nothing, its just a shame that changing a story over rules the evidence presented, which IMO seems to be what has happened here,
wanting to witness something, then seeing something, you can never prepare for that moment ever.
The difference is, this witness is basically claiming to have proof of extraterrestrial visitation to Earth. That is THE
biggest story in
human history…..bar none.
When something like this is claimed, all possible analysis & scrutiny should be applied.
I so need a break from ATS, its making me feel like Im going insane, as well as recent anger issues.
I agree…..this is an extremely vexatious topic.
However, I hope you “come back!”
Kudos for your work
Thank you again!
[edit on 13-6-2010 by Maybe...maybe not]