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Topic started on 16-3-2010 @ 05:02 PM by BeneathMartha


I am not new on ATS but, I like to lurk around and see what everyone says. I think that Obama removed the seal because he is testing the waters.





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reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 05:40 PM by Myendica
reply to post by TonyClifton



i like that... very good. Maybe hes not the leader.. just another guy in between.



reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 05:41 PM by skunknuts
reply to post by BeneathMartha



I don't get it. Testing the waters of what? Seems to me that Obama is trying to make a small gesture with the aim of restoring some class to the office of POTUS, by not using the seal at political fundraiser type environments. Can someone at least explain the theory behind this supposed malevolent conspiracy? TIA....

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reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 05:56 PM by Signals
reply to post by BeneathMartha



Looks HIGHLY suspicious to me...I mean why remove the seal ever? Now for all political events? What message are they sending?




reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 06:00 PM by skunknuts
reply to post by Signals



Highly suspicious of what?? I think many people need to recalibrate their baseline when it comes to suspicious paranoia vs. rationality. This reminds me of the people that seem to think that if the government does ANYTHING at all along the lines of governing it is akin to socialism.

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Skunknuts


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 06:54 PM by skunknuts
Originally posted by TonyClifton
Originally posted by skunknuts

Odd, as in unusual practice, OK, I'll admit that. However, your other points don't flow easily in my humble opinion. He is not acting ashamed at all in terms of being POTUS. He is showing shame that he needs to use his office to raise money in this fashion, however, asking him not to do so at all is akin to telling an army to unilaterally lay down its weapons because the soldiers realize killing is not pretty.

This is the real world, not the perfect world, and, if anything, I like the point Obama is trying to make with this SMALL gesture.

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Skunknuts

[edit on 3/16/2010 by skunknuts]


We can agree that the act is shame driven. I think telling an army to laydown weapons because killing (innocent people) is not pretty is something that should be said.

I will agree with you that it is a small gesture...I think it should be a big gesture, you know "real change I can believe in"...if you are ashamed to do something, don't do it.

Seems simple to me.


If only it was that simple. Of course Obama is a political figure, not the messiah, so I will hold him to the standards of the former. I don't expect him to commit political suicide, and wish that more arguments and disagreements were discussed above board and with a higher degree of genuineness.

In fact, I believe that Obama has been naive in his hope that partisan differences could be put aside in this time of crisis. He has tried too hard to build a consensus in Washington with people that are not interested in such. This move towards getting health care reform passed hopefully shows that he is becoming more pragmatic in how he enacts the proposals he was elected to do.

Best,
Skunknuts


reply posted on 16-3-2010 @ 07:08 PM by TonyClifton
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I understand you point of view.

Perhaps, I am too naive to think that people (messiah's, politician's, etc.) should hold themselves to the standards of a good human being.

If not doing something your ashamed of is political suicide...well, maybe that's why I'm not in politics.

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