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First of all I have stated that I BELIEVE that the west and Europe stole the knowledge from the African continent as well as the Indian continent , this is my personal opinion based of what I have come to believe .
The majority of these west Africans practiced religions like Osha of the Youruba and Nganga of Angola, with the remaining 20-30% or so largely Muslim.
Slaves were obtained through conquest, tribute from vassal states (in the first such treaty, Nubia was required to provide hundreds of male and female slaves), offspring (children of slaves were also slaves, but since many slaves were castrated this was not as common as it had been in the Roman empire), and purchase. The latter method provided the majority of slaves, and at the borders of the Islamic Empire vast number of new slaves were castrated ready for sale (Islamic law did not allow mutilation of slaves, so it was done before they crossed the border). The majority of these slaves came from Europe and Africa -- there were always enterprising locals ready to kidnap or capture their fellow countrymen.
Originally posted by tdogg1
Siachi, since you put such stock in what the Yoruba has to say about the issue, ask them who Lamurudu is. Some of them know.
Christianity is older than any indigenous African religion, or anything from Egypt.
I'll tell you why--and I'm speaking with complete respect here.
Christianity is based on the life and deeds of the one who built the Tower of Babel--the first Communist. That's why it smells so much like Marxism.
The tower of Babel civilization was built soon after the flood. The only religion that could be older had to be before the flood.
oh, and there's ample evidence that they had a more advanced civilization than the one of today--planes, electricity nuclear bombs--the whole works
Originally posted by Tiger5
Well to save the best till last where is the evidence for the advanced civilisation? The plane has recently been debunked. Nuclear bombs need evidence electricity may have been batteries but again batteries do not make advanced civilisations.
Anyway the Lamurudu is a just a theory from daystar press. It has not been proven nor has Lucas' s theory. Ask a Babalawo.
There may be one here!
It may be that Odudua did come from egypt but then a claim from pre_Islamic Arabia may be the source.
Sorry the idea of Xtianity being older than Egypt makes no sense. Especially when the Egyptian myths and iconography indicate the antiquity of Egyptian religion in comparision to the Xtian religion.
Predating Stonehenge by 6,000 years, Turkey's stunning Gobekli Tepe upends the conventional view of the rise of civilization.
The site provided the archaeological world with several 'first's' including animal husbandry, woven cloth, smelted copper Terrazzo (stone pieces pressed into a cement base) floors and several female figurines among the finds representing some of the earliest traces of the Mother Goddess cult in the region.
Originally posted by Tiger5
reply to post by tdogg1
"If you find the suggestion that there were advanced civilizations in the past so laughable, what are you doing on a site like this? "
WSel actually I am beginnin gto wonder about this thread in particular and ATS in general. Thanks for asking.
However ATS is free and some conspiracies are by far more credible than others. I particular like the mix of scepticism and conspiracy beliefs.
me: I didn't ask why you were skeptical, I asked why you find the idea so ridiculous on a site like this.
Being on ATS does to entail believing in every conspiracy posted here.
me: I didn't ask you to believe it, I asked why would it strike you as so hilarious on a site like this.
Anyway Do look at the history of Xtianity and compare it with the age of the egyptian dynasties and draw your own conclusion.
The Yoruba Awo frequently do not even understand the meanings of certain ifa phrases muchless lamurudu. Daystrar press is not reliable as most awo and academics do not believe tghe etymology of the word.
me:I don't know how you know what somebody else understands but I never claimed all Yorubans would agree with me. Some do, some are like you--claiming they got the history from the Arabs.
me:I don't know what you are talking about with the daystrar business, but I never heard of it, never got any information from it. I got it from Yorubans discussion the issue themselves
[edit on 17-3-2010 by Tiger5]
Originally posted by speakslove9
reply to post by mahtoosacks
As an educator, reading your post embodies for me why students are often banned from using Wikipedia as a source. Although Christianity began around 43AD, what you neglected to mention is that it ended around 700AD with the onset of the Arab conquest. This is relative to North Africa. You speak of Africa as though it is a country and not a vast continent. You made no mention of the other regions of the continent where ancestral worship and other indigenous beliefs were practiced. When was Christianity re-introduced? With the appearance of European colonial conquerors and missionaries.
Originally posted by Tiger5
How can this equation be correct or even proven??
Jesus is central to Xtianity. I am completely unsure what your equation seeks to prove .
me: the link was just to show what some ancient documents speaks about the progression of the god now called Jesus, from his beginning to now.
You are aware that different eras , cultures, and peoples, will take the same god and change his name and sometimes his/her entire energy/legacy i.e. "prosperity gospel?
FYI I first heard of the lamurudu hypotheses from Modup Odudoye who is the owner of daystar press in Nigeria,
I know enough Babalawo to confidently claim the senior ones do not accept Lamurudu hypothesis. It is a matter of national proide to put ile Ife at the centre of the world as that was where the hen touched downand scattered the sand that was stored in the igbin shell.
me: I can agree with that. I already said it. But those who don't accept it don't negate the oppinions of those who do.
The Actual odu came from arabia and foillow the arabic trade routes again I can give you the correct references on request. But start with MAUPOIL then look to to peer reviewed works.
me: I can agree with this because at the time the Middle East was the Capital of the planet. This all happened during the break up of the Tower of Babel. People spreaded out everywhere. Has nothing to do w
I would love to discuss Nigeria because that is not your territory.
You have also seen of temples that predate even egypt.
There is evidence all you offer is speculations so far