Cops & Judges Caught Using Secret Codes On Tickets, page 1
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reply posted on 1-3-2010 @ 06:37 PM by rcwj1975
reply to post by FortAnthem


Usually those who get codes on their citations KNOW why they are there. Almost ever AH citation I ever wrote was fought by the driver. Then my dash cam video was shown in court and the driver just hung his/her head and USUALLY apaologized for how they acted on scene. I have come to find out that those who act like that on stops are people who "know people" or are VERY self absorbed and tend to be quite spoiled in life. Just the way it is I guess.

As for the UNIT one from Chicago, I agree that would be wrong. Race and Sex really means NOTHING when it comes to a ticket....just your attitude and violation.


reply posted on 1-3-2010 @ 07:10 PM by rcwj1975
reply to post by SyphonX


Because when people fight the ticket, one of the first things they do is try to make the judge believe they were somehow wrongly pulled over and cited. The attitude and behavior displayed on the side of the road during the incident ODDLY enough is NOWHERE to be found and then they tell the judge that they were being intimidated, etc....so OUR NOTE lets the judge see that they were the ones AH. Then when the person lies about that we call into evidence the dash cam video.

Why we don't just watch the damn video right away I'll never know, but thats the courts for you.


reply posted on 1-3-2010 @ 07:17 PM by K J Gunderson
Originally posted by rcwj1975
reply to post by SyphonX


Because when people fight the ticket, one of the first things they do is try to make the judge believe they were somehow wrongly pulled over and cited. The attitude and behavior displayed on the side of the road during the incident ODDLY enough is NOWHERE to be found and then they tell the judge that they were being intimidated, etc....so OUR NOTE lets the judge see that they were the ones AH. Then when the person lies about that we call into evidence the dash cam video.

Why we don't just watch the damn video right away I'll never know, but thats the courts for you.


So why does it have to be a secret code that the driver is not made aware of?


reply posted on 1-3-2010 @ 07:17 PM by SyphonX
reply to post by rcwj1975


Well, that's court. Someone represents themselves, or with a lawyer, and tries to waive the citation. "Secret Messages", or anything like it, is simply not needed. I would think that if it were to come up, the officer could explain how the person was belligerent, but it's not needed before hand.

And how often does a person successfully defend themselves from a traffic citation anyway? It's pretty standard that a ticket is nearly written in stone, and that a court-show is just that, a show, to entertain people for a few moments, for the sake of it.

Also, the person's demeanor does not suggest guilt for their original citation. Just because the person was a "flaming asshole", it doesn't mean they are somehow "automatically guilty" of their alleged violation. Suggesting otherwise just eliminates the point of court, because the case goes from the person defending themselves on a traffic violation and then magically transforming to a case where, "They weren't very nice".

So, all that said, what is the point of a traffic citation? To stop an offender from breaking traffic laws, or to make a person respect police no matter what?



reply posted on 1-3-2010 @ 07:23 PM by gimme_some_truth
reply to post by rcwj1975


OK, but my question to you is, can this not be considered attempting to influence the judges decision? I would even suggest tampering with evidence but that is a bit of a stretch....

From the sound of that chief judge and those lawyers, this does not appear to be legal.... Now I am not saying that is the case, but when it raises red flags like that to lawyers and chief judges, then maybe it is not such a good idea to do...

And yeah, you know, of all people that I stand up for cops most of the time. I often recommend that people consider the facts, and I often state that like every other profession, there are bad apples, but most of them are great...

So I ask, even if some one is being a complete jerk... And even if it is legal, why do something like this, that would paint the police in an even worse light than they already are?

It makes people think that there is something not right going on, and it makes people question the validity of their ruling... So why do something like that?


I honestly just do not get it... There must be better and less controversial ways to deal with jerks... Like ignoring them..... and going about your day after you write the ticket....

It is not against the law to be a jerk, so why do something that makes it look like you are trying to punish them for it?
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