Originally posted by Montana
I know you are not an emotionless robot, which is why I still assert that emotions- both yours and the driver's HAS to be left out of the equation. No citizen deserves to face a biased court because YOU were having a bad day and wrote AH on the citation.

Again, I am not writing AH on a ticket because I am having a bad day. I am writing it on the ticket because they acted like the fools from the videos I posted. Which stems from them breaking the law and being pissed that they got caught.

Why can't you see this? YOUR emotions vary and different standards are being applied for the same actions!!!! How can you not see this is wrong?

See what, that I am simply writing you a ticket for breaking the law and someone decides they are going to lose control. So when they lose control I simply note it in the remarks section of the citation. Thats it. I don't say your guitly, it doesn't make them guilty, they don't pay extra, etc....your ASSUMING I get emotional because their acting like fools. NOOOO, I am again simply noting it. Thats all...

And I DO hold you to a higher standard than the some scum breather from the bottom of the human barrel. You have been trained by the academy to control yourself and handle situations in the correct manner. You dang well better be able to control your emotions better than an untrained scumbucket, or you are in the wrong career field!

And I do, how does writing AH equate to losing my cool? It is no comparison.

And let me just say that for every video you link to towards 'proving' your point there is an equally appalling one showing abuse by an LEO. Best not go there, because it clouds the real issue- which is the punishment should not be determined by emotion.

Again you want to focus on NON topic issues like most people who have to find fault on the cops and not on the violaters. The videos are SPECIFIC to this topic and why codes are written on tickets. Nothing secret about it, and if you watch the three videos and put yourself in OUR shoes, you can see why we would note in the remarks about the drivers behavior. Again, has nothing to do with guilt or innocence.

And the real issue...the real issue is the DRIVERS emotion, not the cops. Why can't YOU get that. The punishment should be and IS made by the violation. The codes or whatever you want to call them is a peice of the puzzle if someone decides to fight the charge and say BS in front of the judge. They will deny the behavior JUST like the violation....i.e. credability. EVERY citizen, cops included, have to have it.

Originally posted by Montana

Originally posted by rcwj1975
Oh and the AH I put on my tickets is on the front, so the driver gets it on their copy too.

And did you explain to the victim of your arbitrary judgment exactly what your AH meant?

I have to ask, is this third grade? Are you the playground cop? Everyone has to deal with bad attitudes every day. The rest of us just take it and blow it off as part of being human, but you feel that somehow because your wear that uniform everyone has to be sweetness and light to you? Grow up. People are a*holes. Deal with it. Write the ticket for the laws that have been broken and leave the rest in kindergarten where it belongs.

WRONG we do not have to deal with it, that's entirely WRONG!!!!! Let me tell you this story, there was a woman in the wal mart where I was a cashier who went into the next line over from mine she was beligerent and throwing things on the counter, screaming expletives, so bad customer's in my line stopped what they were doing and looked I turned around and watched looking at the lady like she should be tazered, you know what I said "if I ever see her come into my line, I will shut off my light and go to the ladies'room, I will leave" and guess what that's just what I did I refused to wait on her when she returned...and I never got in trouble for having to go to the bathroom when seeing her, none of the cashiers wanted to wait on her, why should we?

[edit on 1-3-2010 by ldyserenity]

Originally posted by rcwj1975


I have NO idea what you mean by this....please clarify

I'm just saying why should you have the right to speed and not others, even if it is based on conditions really doesn't matter. If cops are allowed to speed chasing criminals then to me they are risking people's lives as much as the criminals.

No what it means is AFTER I stop someone for the violation, they freak out on the side of the road saying they didn't do it, they call me names, they refuse to sign the citation, they rip up the citation, threaten law suits, and all sorts of other entertaining things.....usually a whole lot of cussing and useless babble.

Sweet that explains it, I misunderstood you on this one.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
none of the cashiers wanted to wait on her, why should we?

[edit on 1-3-2010 by ldyserenity]

Because that is your job?

The correct course of action would be immediately call the supervisor and have the customer removed from the store. The supervisor can also ban the customer from the store in the future, which will solve the whole problem instead of placing yourself at risk of punishment for not doing your job.

If the supervisor doesn't handle the situation, then i'm sure you have ways and means of correcting that situation also.

Double tapped it!

Sorry all

[edit on 3/1/2010 by Montana]

Originally posted by Montana
It is unjust because the judge will be per-disposed to distrust what the citizen is saying in court because of your interpretation of the citizen's attitude.And then will determine how the case will be handled.

The judge doesn't base it off my or any officers notes. They base it off the PC for the traffic stop. Without PC it doesn't matter WHAT we write in the remarks section...say BYE to that ticket and your reputation....so its quite irrelevant for the judge. Again the notes are for us, so when said citizen claims one thing, we can show the total opposite.

It is unjust because a citizen may say something to you on a good day and you will shrug it off. Another citizen will say the exact same thing to you on a bad day and you will make a note on the ticket that will influence how the judge sees the case.

Your assuming that we handle it the way you do or the way you think we do. How do YOU know how I take cuss words? How do you know how I take having a citation ripped up? What ONE cop may have done ISN'T how we all do it. My notes are for MY reasons, theirs are...well their reasons. And again, the judge decides based on LAW and PC...not on emotion, so it goes back to the notes being nothing more than for OUR use.

I believe that any reasonable person will see that this is unjust.

I'm sorry you do not.

I'm sorrier for the public whom you are protecting and serving that you do not.

Again how? You violate the law. You go off the handle. I have PC for the traffic stop. I stop you, you get a ticket. You either pay it or fight it. Either way I have to have PC for a citation. I don't have it, I lose. Judge decides this..not on my AH or another cops smiley face.

And your inability to see that my notes DON'T influence or supercede LAW is where you should feel sorry.

Originally posted by rcwj1975
Atleast I put my "codes" on the front of the ticket...

I only use codes if your acting like an idiot. Sorry but if you blow a stop sign, are doing 85 in a 50, or pass on a double yellow making other motorists swirve, etc....I have NO sympathy for you and definitly will note on the ticket if your being an AH driver. Blows my mind how some people have complete disregard for not just the law but fellow drivers....then have the nerve to act like the cops are in the wrong.

Are some tickets BS and should never have been written? YES I agree 100%, but I cannot speak for those officers. As for me, you have to have blantant disregard, and when you do, don't complain and be a whiney a@@, just take your ticket and face YOUR wrong doing.







p.s. AH stands for Aggressive & Hostile, not AHOLE...haha...for all of you assuming...

I think I agree with this guy.


If you get a ticket, it's your own damn fault. If you got a problem with cops doing this, then DON"T GET A TICKET. It's not the difficult folks.

Or even if you do - be nice.

Wow, that was simple.

This is an interesting thread...Im really not surprised at all. Theres this part of me that wants to agree with the corruption comments, the conspiracy idea, and that whole "good ol' boys" attitude.

In alot of ways it is an abuse of the system and their power as cops...but when I look at it from their point of view it is easy to see how this sort of thing could seem totally warranted.

The truth is there are alot of A-holes out there and while law enforcement attracts a large amount of them it seems there are even larger numbers living amongst us normal folk - which is why this whole coding thing makes sense in a really f&cked up kind of way.

Makes me wish I was an attractive woman. Kind of.

Originally posted by rcwj1975

Your assuming that we handle it the way you do or the way you think we do. How do YOU know how I take cuss words? How do you know how I take having a citation ripped up? What ONE cop may have done ISN'T how we all do it. My notes are for MY reasons, theirs are...well their reasons. And again, the judge decides based on LAW and PC...not on emotion, so it goes back to the notes being nothing more than for OUR use.

Again how? You violate the law. You go off the handle. I have PC for the traffic stop. I stop you, you get a ticket. You either pay it or fight it. Either way I have to have PC for a citation. I don't have it, I lose. Judge decides this..not on my AH or another cops smiley face.

And your inability to see that my notes DON'T influence or supercede LAW is where you should feel sorry.

I am assuming that you are human. I suppose I could be wrong but I don't think so. It is a fact that humans interpret everything around them differently according to the emotional state they are in.

You are correct that your interpretation of the citizen's attitude doesn't change the law. As to whether it has any bearing on the treatment of the case in court, the chief judge in the video seems to disagree with you as do the lawyers and city officials involved.

I have the utmost respect for those among us who willing place themselves between the population and harm. I back those of them who are trustworthy to the hilt. I have never raised my voice to an officer of the law, and never will. I HAVE taken others to task for treating LEO's badly, and have offered to be a witness for the officer in a couple of cases where he was being unjustly accused by a citizen. You seem to think that I am against LEO's in general, and nothing could be further from the truth.

The problem is that you seem to think that because you are an LEO (voluntarily, I assume), we, the citizens, should be punished for making you mad. Up to the point of breaking the law in some way, I disagree.

I can see that you have hard feelings about this subject and I'm sorry to have caused you distress by disagreeing with you, but it is my strong opinion that you are very wrong on this issue. Judgment and interpretation belong in the courts, not on the street.