Originally posted by berkeleygal
reply to post by bryan2006

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OK, now I am completely unnerved. I agree the Australia - NZ placement discussion needs its own thread, who is going to start it?

Originally posted by bryan2006
reply to post by LastStandingMan

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This has been bugging me all day... Why did I need to look at this? I forgot to mention this fall I was looking at a map of the south pacific and did see NZ in the SE, and thought that's odd the map must be off.
Also I checked wikipedia and NZ and they claim NZ is 1250 miles away from Australia, that is no quick jaunt, I remember it being much closer and like you say being able to take quick boat "catamaran sailing charters back and forth" 1250 miles would take 5-10 days depending on weather. I remember it was a one day trip. (I never actually did the trip, but looked into it deeply)
Also Indonesia isn't right, it looks like it is on a E-W plain and I remember it being more N-S oriented. And also that Australia lied south of the cape of Africa, with the latitude (cape of africa) being about equal to mid continent. (Aus)
I've always noticed a few quirks here and there, but this is the first big shocker for me.
I dunno maybe IM just f'd in the head?

Originally posted by I.C. Weiner
hello, yes i am reporting in that i too remember new zealand being NW of australia - my mom, however, says it is east of australia. she is also acting a little different, i think i may have jumped dimensions again.

Originally posted by ldyserenity
wow, just looking at that freaked me out; I thought that everyone had gone bizonkers when I first read this, because I do remember NZ in the SE where it is shown, however, never before have I seen australia attached to any other land mass at all, it was totally surrounded by water and not near to land even to appear attached to any land!!!!! WTF IS GOING ON HERE?

Originally posted by LastStandingMan

Originally posted by Vanitas
reply to post by LastStandingMan

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I am not a New Zealander. But I was given a huge National Geographic Atlas of the World for my 9th birthday, which I loved and spend hundreds of hours browsing through it. I remember New Zealand being exactly where it is today.

Of course, this will mean nothing to anyone convinced that it has moved. I understand that.
But honestly... are you saying that you (meaning everyone discussing this New Zealand "mystery") really find it more plausible that the timeline has somehow changed - not that your memory might be defective, for lack of a better term?

Memory - which I happen to believe is actually outside the brain (but the paths and mechanisms of access are located in the brain) - is a very interesting phenomenon which still holds many mysteries. Any self-respecting neurologist will tell you that.

There are, for example, people (not many cases are properly documented, but they DO exist) who recall everything in mirror-images. In other words, if they see a picture with a house on the left they tend to recall the same picture with the house being on the right.
There is nothing wrong with their sight, or with their memory in general (in fact, their memory in general seems to be far better than average), it's just that the images are reversed at the moment of recall. Why? Who knows. (Certainly not neurologists.)
But this phenomenon exists.
And the house in the original picture still is on the LEFT...


I am not saying you may be "suffering" from the same (although you might be) - I am merely trying to illustrate the intricacies of the mind and of the memory. Even most neurologists aren't familiar with most of them - and you are saying that you are? Does that really sound plausible to you?

The mind is endlessly intriguing and fascinating - and certainly well worth investigating. Personally I find it no less interesting - far more, actually - than far-fetched speculations about timeline changes.
(And this comes from someone who is actually open to the idea of a malleable time.)

[edit on 13-2-2010 by Vanitas]

You know I don't think it's about mirror-images or deceptive memory if you consider the following:

- I have known all my life (I'm 30 years old now) deep inside of me that NZ is on the left/to the NW of Australia (the picture is still in my head)

- I remember like yesterday that about 5 years ago I was exploring the map of NZ with Google Earth cm by cm and at that time it was almost exactly side by side with the west coast of Australia. As I was planning to travel to Australia and NZ I even looked at catamaran routes to Auckland from the west coast of Australia as NZ was so close to Australia that it could almost touch it.

- In 2009 when I looked at the map of NZ again I got goose pumps and almost fell of my chair when I saw that NZ wasn't anymore in the NW but in the SE (I think it was the final nail in the coffin of deceptive memory).

- NZ and Australia are part of my BOTHERING memories along with many childhood and youth memories.

- There is a point to which you will think of it just as your deceptive memory but when you start seeing similar changes there and here (e.g. you don't find anymore those thrilling scenes of your favorite tv series or movies you loved as a kid or you will find but you get the feeling that somebody is trying to fool you as, again, you remember it otherwise deep inside of you).

- After reading similar experiences and stories about timeline changes, then you start understanding that it's not because of your bad memory but something is really wrong in this world and you do the math, 1 + 1 = 2.

But like I said, this is going to be a very difficult thing to be proved, if this a wrong timeline and all proof is on a different timeline and in our head.

[edit on 13-2-2010 by LastStandingMan]