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Originally posted by LastStandingMan
Originally posted by Aron1138
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Moderator Edit -- please don't quote someone else's conversations. LINK to them. Don't cut and paste.
[edit on 14-2-2010 by Byrd]
Originally posted by LastStandingMan
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Originally posted by LastStandingMan
There are people like me that have always remembered and still think vividly that NZ is located on the left side/to the northwest of Australia. Then there is Australia, which should be in the middle of nowhere, just a lot of blue water all around it and far away from other land masses (except for NZ on its left side).
Originally posted by bryan2006
UMMMM???? WTF??? I just looked at this thread, then started searching for australia maps- they all are wrong. This is beyond scary. When I started reading I thought ohh, a glitch in google, but no all the maps are wrong. I clearly rememmber new zealand was on top of australia. NW I am sure. I remember reading a lot about it when I was young, I always wanted to go there. And remember when Xena was popular, they filmed it there and I remember looking at it on a map. I also am a sailor- haven't sailed there, but remember searching charts and plotting a course to go there. THIS IS NOT RIGHT. And yes when did AUS move way up under new guinea, it used to be down farther and I have to go look again at where the GBR is now.
I can see how youTube Videos, etc could be from different sources "content edit's, etc" But Continents don't just up and move.
I think we should try to figure when this happened. When is the last time everyone remembered New Zealand being in the right place? I can't for sure remember the latest date, but I know at least up to 2005 it was right and probably up to 07'
I think this needs its own thread!
Originally posted by berkeleygal
reply to post by bryan2006
OK, now I am completely unnerved. I agree the Australia - NZ placement discussion needs its own thread, who is going to start it?
Originally posted by bryan2006
reply to post by LastStandingMan
This has been bugging me all day... Why did I need to look at this? I forgot to mention this fall I was looking at a map of the south pacific and did see NZ in the SE, and thought that's odd the map must be off.
Also I checked wikipedia and NZ and they claim NZ is 1250 miles away from Australia, that is no quick jaunt, I remember it being much closer and like you say being able to take quick boat "catamaran sailing charters back and forth" 1250 miles would take 5-10 days depending on weather. I remember it was a one day trip. (I never actually did the trip, but looked into it deeply)
Also Indonesia isn't right, it looks like it is on a E-W plain and I remember it being more N-S oriented. And also that Australia lied south of the cape of Africa, with the latitude (cape of africa) being about equal to mid continent. (Aus)
I've always noticed a few quirks here and there, but this is the first big shocker for me.
I dunno maybe IM just f'd in the head?
Originally posted by I.C. Weiner
hello, yes i am reporting in that i too remember new zealand being NW of australia - my mom, however, says it is east of australia. she is also acting a little different, i think i may have jumped dimensions again.
Originally posted by ldyserenity
wow, just looking at that freaked me out; I thought that everyone had gone bizonkers when I first read this, because I do remember NZ in the SE where it is shown, however, never before have I seen australia attached to any other land mass at all, it was totally surrounded by water and not near to land even to appear attached to any land!!!!! WTF IS GOING ON HERE?
Originally posted by LastStandingMan
I think it's very difficult to handle this whole timeline stuff since it depends only on your memory, how good is your memory and it's very easy to say that you remembered it all wrong.
If I'm right and we are, indeed, on a different timeline, there is no proof, not a single paper, image or photo telling that NZ and Australia were located in a different place before. It's only in our head but it's good that they can't erase our memories whoever is behind all of this.
But think about this very carefully. Why New Zealanders aren't making a big noise about this? If I were a New Zealander and lived all my life in NZ, even the time when NZ was located to the NW of Australia, surely I and all of New Zealanders would be in big shock and all hell would be breaking loose. If you go and ask a New Zealander about this I'm pretty sure that they will say they have lived all their life in the SE, and of course, on this timeline.
But where are New Zealanders with their memories of NZ located in the NW? I would bet that you don't find these people on this timeline as they are living their normal life in the NW, on a different timeline.
The change in the location of NZ and Australia is the biggest timeline change I have noticed in my life. But there are a lot of other, minor things I have noticed, like words that have changed their explanations and places in a dictionary, towns that have moved to other locations, missing/altered scenes in movies and the list goes on.
This stuff is so supernatural that you can't talk about it with anyone without being marked as crazy. And that's why I think it's great that there are places like ATS where we can speak freely about these kinds of things with each other and it makes me happy.
Originally posted by LastStandingMan
Originally posted by Vanitas
reply to post by LastStandingMan
I am not a New Zealander. But I was given a huge National Geographic Atlas of the World for my 9th birthday, which I loved and spend hundreds of hours browsing through it. I remember New Zealand being exactly where it is today.
Of course, this will mean nothing to anyone convinced that it has moved. I understand that.
But honestly... are you saying that you (meaning everyone discussing this New Zealand "mystery") really find it more plausible that the timeline has somehow changed - not that your memory might be defective, for lack of a better term?
Memory - which I happen to believe is actually outside the brain (but the paths and mechanisms of access are located in the brain) - is a very interesting phenomenon which still holds many mysteries. Any self-respecting neurologist will tell you that.
There are, for example, people (not many cases are properly documented, but they DO exist) who recall everything in mirror-images. In other words, if they see a picture with a house on the left they tend to recall the same picture with the house being on the right.
There is nothing wrong with their sight, or with their memory in general (in fact, their memory in general seems to be far better than average), it's just that the images are reversed at the moment of recall. Why? Who knows. (Certainly not neurologists.)
But this phenomenon exists.
And the house in the original picture still is on the LEFT...
I am not saying you may be "suffering" from the same (although you might be) - I am merely trying to illustrate the intricacies of the mind and of the memory. Even most neurologists aren't familiar with most of them - and you are saying that you are? Does that really sound plausible to you?
The mind is endlessly intriguing and fascinating - and certainly well worth investigating. Personally I find it no less interesting - far more, actually - than far-fetched speculations about timeline changes.
(And this comes from someone who is actually open to the idea of a malleable time.)
[edit on 13-2-2010 by Vanitas]
You know I don't think it's about mirror-images or deceptive memory if you consider the following:
- I have known all my life (I'm 30 years old now) deep inside of me that NZ is on the left/to the NW of Australia (the picture is still in my head)
- I remember like yesterday that about 5 years ago I was exploring the map of NZ with Google Earth cm by cm and at that time it was almost exactly side by side with the west coast of Australia. As I was planning to travel to Australia and NZ I even looked at catamaran routes to Auckland from the west coast of Australia as NZ was so close to Australia that it could almost touch it.
- In 2009 when I looked at the map of NZ again I got goose pumps and almost fell of my chair when I saw that NZ wasn't anymore in the NW but in the SE (I think it was the final nail in the coffin of deceptive memory).
- NZ and Australia are part of my BOTHERING memories along with many childhood and youth memories.
- There is a point to which you will think of it just as your deceptive memory but when you start seeing similar changes there and here (e.g. you don't find anymore those thrilling scenes of your favorite tv series or movies you loved as a kid or you will find but you get the feeling that somebody is trying to fool you as, again, you remember it otherwise deep inside of you).
- After reading similar experiences and stories about timeline changes, then you start understanding that it's not because of your bad memory but something is really wrong in this world and you do the math, 1 + 1 = 2.
But like I said, this is going to be a very difficult thing to be proved, if this a wrong timeline and all proof is on a different timeline and in our head.
[edit on 13-2-2010 by LastStandingMan]
Originally posted by LastStandingMan
One of the shockiest timeline changes I have noticed is the changed location of New Zealand and Australia on the map. They have dramatically changed their places
Originally posted by just theoryI do have more recent memories of this 'new' arrangement for some years now but i can't say it i noticed the change, perhaps we're experiencing poor memory or creating false ones as this is too weird to believe real!
Originally posted by OzWeatherman
OP
If New Zealand had been in the tropics, then it wouldnt have snow covered mountains or be as green as it is now, and it certainly wouldnt be full of caucasian people, considering the proximity of south east asia to our NW coast