You're The New Fish In Prison, page 2
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reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 05:22 AM by Wotan
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



As I have stated in an above post, the UK Prison system does'nt appear to have the same problems of gang culture whilst serving at HM pleasure.

Generally speaking, the sex offenders and vulnerable prisoners (VP's) are isolated away from the general population, so do not come into contact with mainstream prisoners.

Another observation: ALL prisoners are manipulative, ALL are liars and ALL are selfish.

As for contraband: My advice is DONT even try it, you will get found out and it will add more months or years to your sentence. The same advice really goes to using violence, especially against staff.

If you cant do the time, dont do the crime.


reply posted on 7-2-2010 @ 04:56 PM by theQuest
Do not believe all the crap about how many people get raped in Prison, it is a very rare occurance and usually only happens to the ones that are either willing "punks" (gays), or people who engage in drugs, rackets, etc and then cannot pay. You are always under camera supervision and almost always under the physical watch of guards. TV has you believing this happens all the time, when it is very rare. Fights, on the other hand, happen a lot, and you are going to have to either defend yourself or you will be beaten and have everything taken away from you on a regular basis. The best thing to do is keep your mouth shut, talk to no one, and do not get involved in gangs, clicks, etc etc. If you start getting harrased by gangs the guards will move you to another barrack or to solitary confinement as long as they know you are not affiliated with any gang. If you get messed with deal with it immedietly, fight as dirty and as crazy as you have to. Ive seen people claim to have AIDS just to keep guys from messing with them, becasue they dont want to get bit. Keep your mouth shut and remember you have no friends in this place. Do your time and stick to yourself. Anyone who is like this will get on work duty, which is definelty something you want to do. You get protection, get to live in a better enviroment and the guards will look out for you. Also, you are around guys who are mostly wanting to do their time and get out, not the thugs and dealers who are looking to make a dollar however they have to get it.

Not something i'm proud of but I got in trouble when I was 18 and had to do 44 months total, 28 in Angola and the remainder at Hunt, both maximum security prisons. It is a life changing experience and not something you want to go through. But the versions you get on TV arent even close to what prison is actually like, it is a very controlled enviroment and you are almost never not in the physical presence of guards.

[edit on 7-2-2010 by theQuest]


reply posted on 8-2-2010 @ 03:38 PM by Ophiuchus 13
reply to post by Tormentations



Basically the prison system is based on who you were outside is who you are inside if you posess gay ars tendecies and hide them in the general public they will be exposed on the inside. If you are a real man on the outside you will be on the inside. If you are a junkie on the outside w/ junkie bahavior you will be the same junkie doing whatever to get what you want inside. I know people that have been improsoned before this is how I know about it. Also if you are a WOLF OUTSIDE YOUR A WOLF INSIDE ITS BASICLLY WHO YOU ARE AS A PERSON. Truthfully no real man would let another man or men violate them w/o fighting for ther lives and I meen till death and some men only require a scarry look and the girl come str8 outta them very sad but look at society on the outside. Some men can here another man raise his voice and become afraid of another man not good. Where as you may on the outside have a 5 ft man talking bad to a 6ft man with much courage cause see the 5 ft man knows even if you gonna woop me its going to be a major battle so bring it. Showing the 5 ft man possessed courage given to him by the lord. Same scenerio a 6 ft man may back down to a 5 ft man if the 6 ft man is a girl inside. SO IT BASED ON THE COURAGE WITHIN 1Z HEART TO SURVIVE AND MAKE IT BACK OUT TO THE FREE WORLD. BASICALLY SURVIVAL INSTINCT

[edit on 2/8/10 by Ophiuchus 13]


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 05:03 AM by Raud
reply to post by Tormentations



Join a "gang" the very first day.

Nobody survives as a "loner" at the big house.

Try to find the clique that doesn't make much fuzz about themselves but at least number 5 individuals or more.

Stay cool and out of trouble. Keep quiet the first period of time, just listen and observe. Be a buddy without over doing it.
Doing favours can really help you out.

Do you duties, like laundry duty, kitchen duty or workshopping without complaining. Obey the guards without sucking up to them.

If the prison itself doesn't already sort it out for you, make routines and follow them like it's a ritual. It will make time pass faster.

Don't lose your head and for God's sake, don't snitch!!!


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 03:12 PM by tovenar
The key in the US is to what "Kind" of prison you sent. Conditions vary widely, but broadly along the lines of what category you are assigned.

In an easy unit, you probably wont be hassled for real very much. A few posers may try to intimidate you, but they won't have support. their seconds are not willing to do hard-time just because their leader picks a fight. Just because 4 dudes are standing around you, doesn't mean all of them are willing to risk the penalties for fighting you.

SOME of the "I was raped" stories are just men trying to rationalize their behavior to family on the outside.

The fact is, if you have something to offer, someone will want to look after you. If you are literate, or have outside contacts or commisary, are a short-timer, or look big enough to defend yourself and maybe others, someone will want your friendship enough to ask politely. If all you are good for is party favors, you'll be treated accordingly.

That's what supposed to happen when you get surrounded by the way, you're supposed to tell them what you're worth, and then buy your own posterior with what you can offer: legal advice, a contact on the outside, a good lawyer, knowledge of an incoming drug shipment, etc. You really aren't supposed to get raped, and most don't. They make an offer, and it's usually accepted, unless things have gotten personal.

The fact remains that in many prisons, even the more serious ones, that gang activity is mainly a sport for young men would would be doing the same thing on the outside. You can minimize your contact with it, if you insist on not being involved. that means not helping someone else unless they are in your set. you can get sucked into a gang war by trying to defend someone who would not have defended you.

For the people who advise you to get into a gang, notice that most of the victims of violence are active gang members.

You'll be forced to "stick with" your own race; the system itself acknowledges racial gangs, and segregates prisoners that way to minimize the violence. Learn it, acknowledge that you cannot change it, and move on.

A short, thin man did 4 years in a southern state without ever being raped. He chose the "go crazy on the first person to proposition you, then do your time in solitary" route. But he says that, because he acted this way, everyone wanted him in their gang, and he was sent to the violent offender pod after fulfilling his time in solitary....

You should never fake something you are not, but if you are religious, then chapel is a place where you can meet some like minded men. Sometimes there is a group that refuses to call itself a gang, but is de facto a gang. They may have about 3-5 formal members, don't allow gays, and don't charge favors. But they would defend each other in a riot, and even take revenge if need be. They'd get left alone. They'd probably only exist until a couple of key members get out, then fade away.

Whoever wrote that about the chess players is right btw.

Spend time working out, but only with your set, because a lot of confrontations happen then.

Also, spend time in the legal library, working on your case. If you learn the law, you can help others who don't understand, and they will owe you. in prisons where you check out law books, some inmates just use them for weightlifting, so it takes forever, and favors, to get the books you'd need to look at.

The food is made so that you will lose 1 -5 lbs / month. If anyone on the outside can deposit money in the commisary for you, then you can trade smokes and candy for stuff you need, or just for a quiet night's sleep.


reply posted on 9-2-2010 @ 09:49 PM by Wotan
reply to post by ImaginaryReality1984



Generally the prisoners that become 'vulnerable' are those that get 'in debt' to another prisoner or group of prisoners. This can cause all sorts of problems for them. Debts 'have to be paid'.

One of the first things a 'new' prisoner should aim for is a job of some sort. If you like fresh air, then go for gardening. One of the higher paid jobs is as a cleaner, you get special payments for cleaning up cells that are covered in 'body fluids'.

If you want to get parole or your sentence reduced or in some cases release, you will need to do certain 'rehabilititave programmes'. Without doing them, you will do your full stretch.


reply posted on 10-2-2010 @ 08:07 AM by tovenar
reply to post by Deaf Alien



The funny thing about that is, every man says "don't be a rat," but every buddy does it. It's a way of controlling what the guards know, and everyone gets power by being the first to tell, and put their own personal "spin" on the facts.

Now, get caught, and you die horribly. But know that the reason why everyone is so dead set against it is---they don't want the competition!



reply posted on 12-2-2010 @ 07:42 AM by yankeerose
I used to be a Correctional Officer at a Medium Security level prison... this is the talk I gave to newbies:

Avoid the inmates who first approach you with more than the Welcome to Hell introduction.

No matter what you are in for... just say Drugs.

Do not display pictures of your loved ones, or give away any information of where they live. Keep you personal information to yourself.

If you have never been in a gang, don't join one now. It makes you a target to other inmates, and guards are always shaking down the gangbangers.

There are professional guards and then there are sadistic a'holes... learn the difference.

Never snitch on anyone... once your a snitch you are compromised.

Give yourself a good month to observe and figure out who to trust... if anyone.

The older Mob guys run everything, and are usually fair and firm when making deals.

Ask to be an Dorm Orderly for your first assignment.... you will hear and see much to help you survive.

Remember that even though you are physically locked up... your mind is still free. Meditation and prayer can make all the difference in the world.

Learn to protect yourself physically, If you get punched it is assault and that guy will be sent to a higher level prison. If you hit him back... it is just a fight and your both getting more time and going to a higher level.

If you hear a Guards Body Alarm go off... get the hell away from the area! You will soon be surrounded by staff that are cracking heads and cuffing and stuffing anyone in the area. If you can't get out of the area... lay face down and cover your head with your hands. Do not watch what is happening or you will become a witness and locked up for interrogation.

Just do your time. Be cool and be prepared to defend your self at all times.

Good Luck.


reply posted on 20-2-2010 @ 03:44 PM by freedomataprice
Read, write, and play checkers!
If you know ahead of time you are going in DO NOT try to sneak something in.
In stead take on some odd jobs prior to surrender or court and give ALL your money to someone you can trust. Not a girlfriend you have had for a couple of months. Then have them deposit money on your books as soon as you get there and have them keep small amounts on the books for you.

If you don't drink coffee buy it anyway- When on lockdown you can use it to trade. Same with smokes.

Keep those "Nice" pictures of your honey to yourself! She took them for you not the entire criminal world.

Do not expect your loved ones to send you money all the time or put time on your phone. You did the crime you do the time. This is hard enough on them.

For every 3 letters you write home expect 1 back. Your family is not sitting in a cell all day, they are out here trying to pay bills and keep the kids fed.

If you have a car when you are about to go in and you don't need it (for the wife etc) then sell it get the money to the same person as stated above.

Sign a power of attorney for financial and legal reasons to this trusted person and for medical reasons. It sucks having someone on the inside and not knowing what is going on when you know they have been sick.

Stick to the older group or the short timers if you can. Never tell anyone how much time you have left.

Do not F*** over the woman that is standing by your side during this bid. Do not write other women and so forth. At this point the only relationship you have is in letters, calls and the occasional visit. So if you are doing the same with two women you are cheating on them.
They are going through HELL on the outside because of you so respect them and treat them right.

Do not get over hyped if your woman cannot be reached by phone, she may be doing something important for you or herself.

Thats all I have for now. My husband is doing a long bid so this comes first hand.
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