FED kills a real life friend (former ATS member & Military Man of 12yrs) - PLEASE help solve this!

OP, condolences, this is a horrible situation. Good luck getting to the bottom of it, and, because you're dealing with killers, I would suggest that, if you haven't already, you buy a gun, and get a concealed-carry permit, if one is available to you where you live. Hell, I'd carry a gun regardless in a situation like this. Better to be judged by 12, than carried by 6.

watch your back.

reply to post by Doc Velocity


Thats exactly what I was thinking. They obviously whisked the family away from the home, to eliminate anyone who would give a testimony that didnt correlate with the official story. Its VERY obvious that this man was setup to be silenced. My theory is once he realized they had no intention of taking him alive he sprung for his gun, they shot him, then used his own gun in his mouth to give the appearance of the man being unstable, and to rationalize killing him.

Tragic.

My main question is; "where is the proof that those 700 illegal images were sent from his computer?" Obviously evidence can easily be fabricated as well, but if they took his computer shouldnt they have some sort of hard evidence to at least show the family?

I don't want offend anyone here..

How does the OP know for sure that the Charges brought aginst him by the Military were "Bogus"? How can you be so sure?

If he told you and you believed him then that's no way to be impartial. You cannot know what the actual circumstances were when he was arrested while serving. Have the Military given you their side of the story? If they haven't, which I'm sure they wouldn't, you cannot know that he was absolutely innocent of those charges. I could get charged and convicted for anything and I doubt I would actually tell anyone the whole truth of what happened and I'm sure I would be biased toward telling a story that would make me look "Less Guilty" than I was

Do you know what the FBI found on his computer? I doubt they would release any information at all about the circumstances surrounding this case. Even after it's all been dealt with and closed off, nobody will ever know exactly what went on between your Friend, Darius or the FBI. The FBI's story will favour their side and lies will be told. It's natural for someone to "Bend" the truth a little, without outright lying, in order to make themselves look less competent.

Brace yourself, because even if it was the FBI that actually performed an Assasination, nothing will ever,ever come of this. The FBI WILL be found not guilty of anything inappropriate. It's just the way it is.

I really hope that you find what you're looking for but, Like others before you, I doubt you'll get very far. Even if it does end up looking like the FBI did kill Darius, What are you going to do about it? Is there anything you can do about it?

Originally posted by kenton1234
reply to post by highlyoriginal

 

Darius Hill had just finished working out on a treadmill and was going upstairs to take a shower when the doorbell rang. The family had ordered a pizza,
He was on the treadmill, went up stairs to get a shower, wife was making dinner

 

So which is it? Did they order a pizza or was the wife in the kitchen makiing dinner?

Well, sometimes my family will actually cook something, like green beans or some vegetable, so that when we have Pizza ordered the kids will have some healthy veggies to eat as well.

Not only that, but my daughter does not really like Pizza so much in the first place. So we always have to make her something different.

So the wife could have been in the kitchen preparing food-getting the table ready etc. While a pizza was on it's way to complete the dinner.

I guess we have to think twice now don't we?

reply to post by Damian-007


Pretty good chance something is bogus when they go to "investigate" him and his family is taken away for two hours, not normal, and he dies in this, they only say one gunshot wound, and coroner says 6. Sounds like its pretty much bogus.

Also be aware that with all the "virus's" out there on most peoples windows computers, they often have little tiny pockets of their hard drive being used by bad guys. That is if you beleve its some random thing and not all run by the black ops to begin with, like I do, including porn, etc etc, and drugs, and that these virus makers mainly work for them, and that they have everyone "set up" for any convenient excuse.

Originally posted by highlyoriginal
I'm aware that me getting involved in this may put me at risk, especially if I start getting anywhere close to the truth. But let it be known I made this thread, and if it disappears, and I stop posting, well... look for my obituary in Montgomery County, Pennsylvania.

Hold on, before you write yourself off so quickly, you should probably get hold of your attorney(s) and pass to them a complete journal of your inquiries in this case. That way, if something does happen to you (God forbid), you'll know that an investigation will ensue.

You don't want footsteps leading up to a brick wall and disappearing.

— Doc Velocity

First off, sorry about your friend. At the present and until more is known about the shooting it is what it is for now. But, I did a little snooping and this has the looks of something bigger than kiddie porn.

From the Baltimore Sun 10/18/97
Sun Article
U.S. probe of Marine arms thefts nets arsenal 2 truckloads found: a mortar, 150 pounds of explosives, mines

WASHINGTON -- Federal agents seized truckloads of stolen military and civilian weapons yesterday in an expanding investigation into the theft and sale of machine guns, grenades and plastic explosives that centers on the Marine base at Camp Lejeune, N.C.

Six Marines and eight civilians have been arrested so far in the federal investigation, which has included agents from the Naval Criminal Investigative Service in addition to those of the FBI and Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.

One investigator, speaking on condition of anonymity, said there is "a possible link" between the civilian suspects and militia groups, based on information assembled in the course of the probe. "Some of them have ties -- potentially -- to militia groups," said the investigator.

Among the weapons undercover agents were able to purchase from those arrested were 150 pounds of C-4 explosive, a 50-caliber machine gun, 40 smaller machine guns, a 60 mm mortar, 100 grenades and an unspecified number of Claymore mines.

This was no small potatoes operation. In fact, the above is a shopping list you'd expect from a small country. The highest ranking military member nabbed was a Captain and none were below the rank of Sergeant.

After reading this article it looks like the the kiddie porn allegation was a pretext to go after the guy's hard drive. I'm guessing that this investigation has been ongoing since Hill left prison. Which, by the way, indicates a felony conviction that would bar the ownership of a pistol. Funny no mention of that fact.

My gut feeling here is that this was not a "for profit" deal they had going on. I could be wrong but it looks to me like this was a crime of "conscience" as in they were actively engaged in arming militia groups. If these guys all did prison stretches attempting to level the playing field for John Q. when shtf then I doubt history will remember them as criminals.

It will be interesting to see in what direction this investigation heads.

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[edit on Thu Feb 4 2010 by Jbird]

Oh right I can post now. I sent a U2U to the op with my thoughts which were:

If he shot himself first then he'd be lying dead on the floor so there's no reason to shoot him.

Therefore perhaps what happened is this:

1) They shot him
2) They find his gun, put it in his hand, point it to his mouth, and shoot him
3) They remove the small square of carpet since this would prove that he was shot in the head whilst lying on the floor dead already and the wound couldn't be self inflicted

If he'd shot himself in the mouth first, then he'd have been shot multiple times whilst on the floor, so they'd remove multiple pieces of carpet maybe?

So perhaps they did this since they shot an unarmed man in cold blood, but why not just put the gun in his hand?

Or maybe they think that if people have the idea that he shot himself it lends credence to the notion that he did indeed have child porn on his PC, thereby giving credibility to that story.

Stops people from digging further.

But in any case I think that the missing carpet is a key piece of evidence, and that the idea they shot a man who shot himself is ludicrous.

Or something like that.

Steven Gamvroulas, an agent in the Utah Attorney General's Internet Crimes Against Children Task Force, said he'd received about 700 pieces of child pornography by e-mail from Hill specifically.

As an undercover agent, Gamvroulas joined a network that shared such images, and said he was just one member of many receiving the e-mails. Hill was not suspected of producing the pornography, Gamvroulas said.

Hill's computer was seized, according to his mother, Eileen Hill, but she rejected the idea that he was involved in anything illegal.

The agent states that he had received E-mails from Hill's computer.


I wonder if it was not possible that Mr. Hill's computer had been exploited, without his knowledge, as a "zombie" by a clever hacker seeking to mask the true source of the incriminating E-mails.

More than likely, Mr. Hill was using a Windows-based operating system. And, also more than likely, as a devoted husband and father, he failed to maintain the best on-line security.

Would he have noticed if his family's computer had been hacked?


Bear in mind that no time frame for the receipt of these alleged kiddie-porn E-mails was provided; we do not know for how long the authorities had been investigating Mr. Hill, at least in connection with his alleged involvement with the porn trafficers.


It does not take long to send even up to "700" images by e-mail; especially if they are sent all at once, as a packet. (How the E-mails were received, either all at once or over a period of time, was not specified in the article).


Further, if the authorities had actually suspected Mr. Hill of involvement in a child-porn ring, I would imagine that they would have had him under investigation for some time. They would have at least wanted to track his movements to identify his contacts, and maybe gather some "hard" evidence (photos of him in unsupervised contact with children other than his own, for instance?).



Is it possible that the unfortunate Mr. Hill, his family computer hacked and turned into a "zombie server bot" by a clever hacker seeking to spread kiddie-porn filth anonymously, became the focus of a Federal action after just one instance of suspicious activity sourced not to him, personally, but to his computer?


I wonder who issued the warrants. And whether the warrants were issued by a regular judge, or by a FISA court.


So many questons, so few answers.

reply to post by CmdrZero


Did you read the HighlyOriginals thread? We already know about that incident. Darius was dishonorably discharged after that.. Need to fill more space so it's not a one liner.

[edit on 4-2-2010 by electricveins]

The FBI went around to my neighbors houses and told them my mother was a prostitute. They all knew the agent was lying. They were horrified that an agent could use such deception. I see they are still doing it.

reply to post by CmdrZero


Is this the first Ruby Ridge-style execution of the 21st Century, perhaps? If this was all about firearms and explosives, I wonder where the BATF was in all this tangled mess? Among the assassins, I wonder?

Hm. Last time the U.S. Government declared a blood-letting war on the American People was under the firm hand of Bill Clinton, building his bridge to the future... Which provided us with the first WTC Bombing, Waco, OKC Bombing, and a string of mysterious deaths (suicides) all around the Clintons.

Looks like this new administration is taking up where the Clintons left off.

— Doc Velocity

reply to post by Damian-007
I can appreciate the care not to offend anyone. Police get offended because they are under a lot of criticism. But the criticism is justified because so many people have been murdered by the government since 1963 and we as a people are powerless to root it out. If we could root out the murderers we could get our country back. As it is we might as well be occupied by the Nazis because we're not going to get rid of these murderers any time soon and things are likely to get worse because we have lost our rights as citizens to any bit of justice. Our government considers itself above the law and even officially granted interpol, who could for all we know be another band of murderers, an 007 card to operate above the law, OFFICIALLY. They can kill anyone they like and not be questioned about it and not have to pay taxes to anybody. So please don't blame us if we jump up and down everytime somebody is wantonly murdered by our illegal govt. And it has been happening a lot. Someone should make a list in one place of all the murders that the government is suspected of committing. There are lists of people who died in airplane crashes and lists of dead Clinton bodyguards. We need a comprehensive list and correlate it with government programs that were suspected of being advanced due to the murders.
Our news media is an arm of treason and downplays things that should get people alarmed , like a lot of legislation passed lately, and tries to raise to hysteria things they want people to be fearful over,.for example terrorism and swine flu
It would certainly be nice to expose the monsters behind 911 & the Murrah Building Bombing


[edit on 4-2-2010 by m khan]

reply to post by highlyoriginal


So either the FBI wanted to frame him, first for stealing and selling weapons, then for having child pornography, so they could execute him in a way the public would know it was the FBI

or

They actually did want him for possessing child pornography, and he shot himself because of the stigma of the charges, and that there was no way he could escape from the FBI agents in his bedroom.

Occam's razor suggests, unfortunately, it's not a massive cover-up, just another tragic story involving a possible child pornographer.

Surely if the FBI wanted him dead, they'd pay someone to go and shoot him while he was home alone, and make it look like a robbery. They wouldn't go through some massive theatrical stunt, including judges and the press, swarms of uniformed agents, and kill the man with the public having full knowledge of it. That doesn't make sense.

They do this to scare whistleblowers from coming forward, Obama said they would infiltrate conspiracy communities. I'm beginning to fear Obama more than Bush

reply to post by davesidious

So either the FBI wanted to frame him, first for stealing and selling weapons, then for having child pornography, so they could execute him in a way the public would know it was the FBI

Seriously why would the FBI kill someone like that? Frame someone for selling weapons in 97 them wait and kill him over 10 years later? It doesn't make sense.

They actually did want him for possessing child pornography, and he shot himself because of the stigma of the charges, and that there was no way he could escape from the FBI agents in his bedroom.

Ok so lets say for a minute this guy was actually into child pornography which he wasn't... He is ashamed his secret has been exposed by the FBI and shoots himself as you suggest. Why the other bullet holes?

Are people actually reading the thread?

You Say:
Ok so lets say for a minute this guy was actually into child pornography which he wasn't...

Prove to me he wasn't into Child Pornography?

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Damian-007]

[edit on 4-2-2010 by Damian-007]

I couldn't post my post properly. when I went to edit it properly, it wouldn't take..
I was weird.. Anyhow..


[edit on 4-2-2010 by Damian-007]

I dunno. It's a coverup, but it doesn't look like this guy was innocent by any measure of the word.

He could very well be a traitor

reply to post by electricveins


Got it. But, it's still relevant. Check out the "play by play" given by the Fed's in the article below. And this snippet

After following Hill upstairs, Gallant and Vincent, of the bureau's office in Fort Washington, Montgomery County, tried to talk him into dropping his weapon, telling him they were not there to arrest him, Henry said.

But Hill would have none of it, she said, and pointed his gun toward his chin and mouth, then told agents he was going to "blow his brains out near the window so it wouldn't make a mess" and asked them "is this going to be suicide by cop?"

Henry said six FBI agents and four Hilltown police officers arrived at Hill's home about 6:30 p.m. to serve a federal search warrant for child pornography on computers and related equipment. Gallant and Vincent were let inside and followed Hill to the top of the stairs, where they saw him in the bedroom holding a loaded gun in one hand and ammunition in the other, she said.

They directed Hilltown police officers to usher Hill's wife, Rebecca, and two children -- Reagan, 3, and Shelby, 5 -- out of the home to another location. Ten to 15 minutes later, Hill was dead.

I didn't realize the case was this old but I did find what I was looking for here:
DA: Use Of Deadly Force Justified

The relevant quote:
"We continue to analyze the evidence obtained to see if we can identify any other criminal acts and individuals engaged in criminal activity," Williams said. (emphasis added)

DocVelocity I agree and disagree. My theory-

They had a prior conviction, the accusation of child pornography and had probably already remotely hacked his computer to know what was and was not on it (whether planted or not who knows). The had the ammo to ask for names and probably expected to get them. What I don't think they expected was for the guy to go down and not take anyone with him. They apparently don't understand the concept of Semper Fidelis. But, then again, I wouldn't expect them too.

When they sent the wife and daughters away I think they wanted to have a chat and make an offer. I don't think Sgt. Hill like what he heard.

They may have gone through the door with kiddie porn as the justification but I think that they believed that he was still in contact with militia members and wanted to know where the munitions ended up.

If I were the OP I'd look for a connection with a local militia group or a circle of friends that would, to an outside observer, resemble what the Fed would describe as a radical group. I tend to believe that's what they were really after. That's basically how the BATF approached Randy Weaver- busted on a trumped up weapons charge and asked to snitch. Just my opinion.

Originally posted by davesidious
Occam's razor suggests, unfortunately, it's not a massive cover-up, just another tragic story involving a possible child pornographer.

A child pornographer who committed suicide in front of a team of FBI agents who then shot him six times.

Or shot him six times BEFORE he committed suicide.

Duuuuuhhhhhh... Occam's Razor needs sharpening on this one.

— Doc Velocity






[edit on 2/4/2010 by Doc Velocity]