Originally posted by Doc Velocity
"Searching for child pornography" is a common excuse the FBI uses for raiding homes and confiscating computers, even though the defendants strongly deny the charge. Making the child pornography charge is so horrifying to most people, they automatically distance themselves from the defendant — even family members will distance themselves.

The FBI is counting on that fact to diminish opposition to its unlawful searches and seizures. If they can turn everyone against the defendant, that makes the FBI's case easier, and there's nothing like a charge of child pornography to alienate a defendant.

It's a totally trumped-up charge, of course, as is the allegation that this man shot himself in the mouth after being shot 6 times at close range by FBI agents. This man was murdered, undoubtedly, and an FBI agent pulled the trigger.

— Doc Velocity

[edit on 2/4/2010 by Doc Velocity]

Doc you always come up with some straight forward answers.
A star to you. And this is a very sad story.
I'm going to Star and Flag this thread as well. Hopefully it will get the attention it needs.


[edit on 4-2-2010 by Violater1]

I don't mean any disrespect but why are you implying that this is related to anything other than what the official story is? Sure, he may not have seemed suicidal, but faced with the realization that he was going to spend a long time behind bars perhaps he took it upon himself to take the quicker way out. People in prison for child related offenses, whether virtual images or physical abuse, aren't taken upon too kindly in prison.

So did he actually have child pornography on his computer? Did he own a gun? Is the case still on-going? It seems like a pretty serious incident especially with the special task forces investigating it and I'd be careful posting about it on the Internet.

If you are suggesting that he was 'silenced' because of something he did while in the military or because of knowledge he had, which I'm assuming you are hence why you mention he was an ATS member (which hasn't been proven), why would feds kill him in his own home with a warrant? Why wouldn't they kidnap him while he's going to / coming home from work and take him out quietly?

[edit on 4/2/10 by Nventual]

Originally posted by Nventual
I don't mean any disrespect but why are you implying that this is related to anything other than what the official story is? Sure, he may not have seemed suicidal, but faced with the realization that he was going to spend a long time behind bars perhaps he took it upon himself to take the quicker way out. People in prison for child related offenses, whether virtual images or physical abuse, aren't taken upon too kindly in prison.

So did he actually have child pornography on his computer? Did he own a gun? Is the case still on-going? It seems like a pretty serious incident especially with the special task forces investigating it and I'd be careful posting about it on the Internet.

Well I don't know if you read the whole OP and the following 2 posts I made after it, but if you did I don't see how you could still think Darius's story told by the FED is true...

1. Explain the 6 bullet wounds, including the ones to the mouth (considering the FBI admits to shooting him, how did he commit suicide then?)
   
2. Explain why Darius worked out on a treadmill before supposidly 'commiting suicide' because like I said who the hell works out then kills themself?
   
3. Explain how no gun shots were heard before the Fed's came in with the warrent, nor any were heard before the family left, meaning that something went down AFTER the family was taken to the police station
   
4. Explain why the Fed's retracted their original cause of death? They were there, wouldn't they know what happened? *cough* cover up *cough*
   
5. And... yeah I could keep going but you get the point.
   

Originally posted by Nventual
If you are suggesting that he was 'silenced' because of something he did while in the military or because of knowledge he had, which I'm assuming you are hence why you mention he was an ATS member (which hasn't been proven), why would feds kill him in his own home with a warrant? Why wouldn't they kidnap him while he's going to / coming home from work and take him out quietly?
[edit on 4/2/10 by Nventual]

I don't know if he was silenced because of something he did in the military, I have no idea why he was executed/assassinated.

And it's not been proven he was an ATS member? I said he was, I know he was, you don't have to believe me but I am a respected member on ATS I have nothing to gain by lying about this. I am only trying to gain information using ATS since I knew he was on this site before he died, and he talked about aliens for sure, and I'll find out more topics later today most likely.

Why would they kill him in his own home? Because they can, they do, and they had a plan the whole time to execute their assassination. Premeditated execution. All the Fed's who were there that night, involved in the case who knew the truth etc. should all be put to death for this horrible murder of an innocent man.

If you noticed I showed, and bolded, the part about him being falsely convicted of the military crimes... I even added the .pdf of his appeals that kept getting shut down. They obviously had a problem with him back in 1997, something must have gotten worse, changed, or something new totally occurred and the need to silence him for good was felt to be needed by the government. Plain and simple.

And why would they nab him secretly? That would cause much suspicion because there would be no answers, unless they framed someone which would be a whole nother ordeal for them to deal with [them=the FED].

here is a scenario he was trying to get something out and when he saw the feds he knew something was up grabbed his gun and then got in an arguemet when they tried to arrest him for the stuff. when they pulled there guns he shot himself right before they did. hope u can find out

Originally posted by gaurdian2012
hey does anyone think ats is a tool for tptb i mean whats that old saying keep your freinds close and your enemy's closer

Everyone is 'anonamous' to each other... however if you say something crutial... 'they' can 'hack' ATS and find you. If they kill you... nobody will ever know.

This is how they 'extract' certain people, in my opinion.

Highlyoriginal,

I offer my condolences for your loss of a friend.

I read your posts and yes it sounds as if something else could be behind his death. I can say that I have never seen in an incident where a subject shoots himself in the head then fire is returned by officers. That sounds mighty uh let's say, out of normal protocol. However if he shot himself in the mouth and didn't die right away (which is not unusual at all) then for whatever reason, began waving the weapon around either on purpose of as a result of the gunshot, and the officers felt threatened then perhaps thats why they returned fire. Again people MUST understand that just because someone shoots themselves in the mouth that will not always kill them instantly like in the movies. The key here in this case, would be to determine if when he shot himself, did he collaspe to the floor dead or was he still concious?

If he was unconcious then thats a problem for sure. And if he was still interacting with officers after he shot himself but had dropped his gun and after shooting himself posed no further threat to the officers then that too is a problem.

However, if he shot himself then began flailing around with the gun in his hand due to the injury sustained by his own gun then unfortunately the officers would more than likely be cleared of any wrong doing. I believe this is obvious as to why they would be.

If he was just someone who was caught up in the "child porn" picture swapping/selling activities then thats one thing BUT, to have been involved in some weapons crime in the military then be shot for what amounts to having a warrant served on him, that too is troubling for me to comprehend.

For your own sake and peice of mind don't jump automatically to the conspiracy conclusion regarding this even though its troubling for you. It will only add an un-needed cloudiness to an already sorryful situation. Look at the facts you can obtain first and if there are any "conspiracy aspects" then they will become apparent after using your better judgement & common sense.

clarification

[edit on 4-2-2010 by mikelee]

So the gist is the guy had a history of being a massive f-up, probably tried to kill himself, or threatened to, cops called, and he suicided by police?

Seems plausible. FBI taking his computer for kiddie porn search? Eh, maybe. Coffee (the Microsoft joint Police/Fed software for searching your system) doesn't look for that stuff.

Either way, the guy seems like a screw up, and somehow I get the feeling he wanted to die. maybe the authorities showed up, explained whats up with the kiddie porn, and he pulled a gun to shoot himself? Who knows. One less misfit.

Originally posted by Doc Velocity
"Searching for child pornography" is a common excuse the FBI uses for raiding homes and confiscating computers, even though the defendants strongly deny the charge. Making the child pornography charge is so horrifying to most people, they automatically distance themselves from the defendant — even family members will distance themselves.

[edit on 2/4/2010 by Doc Velocity]

Yep, I had the cops busting down my door and confiscating my computer for "child porn".

Unsurprisingly, they found nothing (because there was nothing to find, in case you were wondering), but I never did get my hard drive back.

I've known this to happen to a couple of other people, where they seize their computers under trumped up child porn investigations, but never get charged, because there never was any in the first place, but never get their hard drives back.

They are obviously finding something on the drives they don't want spreading.

BTW, all the people I have heard this hapening to happen to be political activists and/or conspiracy theorists.

All you should have to do to find this individual's profile here on ATS is to use unique Keywords, in the ATS search module, of which apply exclusively as possible TO him/his life as you know it.

Was he a Cardinal fan, did he have nickname, where is he from?, where did he live, sky diver, home remodeling enthusiast, veteran of 'which' unit?
Which tank was he in (point?) in the tank battalion at the border of Iraq/Afghanistan? Which one?

Inputing these keywords in the ATS search module should do the trick. It should lead you to the Man.

I was in this AO in 1991 for 11 months.
We are of similar age and I understood his mission.....though, unfortunately, much later in life.

I 'could' know this person though it's doubtful.
There were many soldiers in this area of operations performing various tasks for various 'reasons'.....

Glad to help.

Good Luck?
Salute.....with a handshake.



[edit on 4-2-2010 by Perseus Apex]

IMHO, the reason for his murder probably has to do with the gun smuggling carried out by the govt after the first Iraq war. If you look into the Waco massacre there is a tie there into possible distribution of unregistered guns to street gangs as some planned federal program for gun confiscation of the public by the street gangs. He probably knew too much.


[edit on 4-2-2010 by m khan]