Sick of the ignorant hate spewed about Islam because of American propaganda.

reply to post by seattletruth


Maybe I'm nutty, but it seems to me that the world is sick and tired of dealing with folks who all seem to require armed conflict to solve their problems, regardless of what ever dogma they happen to follow. Below is a listing of all of the formal armed conflicts in the world today. The year listed is the year the conflict began.

The current stream of terrorism is not included in this list.

At first pass, it would appear that people who follow Islam are a bit over represented.




The following table shows where wars and armed conflicts are raging throughout the world in 2009. Find the year that war began and the major warring parties involved by region of conflict, including the Middle East, Asia, Africa, Europe, and Latin America.

Main warring parties

U.S. and UK vs. Iraq 2003

Israel vs. Palestinians 1948

Yemen: Government forces vs. the rebel group Shabab al-Moumineen (The Youthful Believers) 2004

Turkey: Government forces vs. the Kurdish Workers' Party (PKK) 1999

Afghanistan: U.S., UK, and Coalition Forces vs. al-Qaeda and Taliban 2001

India vs. Kashmiri separatist groups/Pakistan 1948

India vs. Assam insurgents (various) 1979

Philippines vs. Mindanaoan separatists
(MILF/ASG) 1971

Sri Lanka vs. Tamil Eelan2 1978

Algeria vs. Armed Islamic Group (GIA) 1991

Somalia vs. rival clans and Islamist groups 1991

Sudan vs. Darfur rebel groups 2003

Uganda vs. Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) 1986

Russia vs. Chechen separatists 1994

Colombia vs. National Liberation Army (ELN) 1978

Colombia vs. Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC) 1978

Colombia vs. Autodefensas Unidas de Colombia (AUC) 1990

NOTE: As of Oct. 2009.

Originally posted by Emerald The Paradigm
reply to post by DirtyPete

 

Yes, then you are a racist.

You can't blame the entire race of people based on their color just because a few morons raped you.

Does that seriously need to be explained?

I said nothing about blaming an entire race.

You said, as did the OP, that if you're robbed or raped by multiple black men it makes you a racist.

That does need explaining.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by DirtyPete]

[edit on 22-1-2010 by DirtyPete]

You are wasting your time peeps. It's all being said before ad nauseam on other threads. The OP, who has his/her own agenda is as blinkered as others are accused of being. This little rant is aimed at stirring people up and it's working.
The fact is - I think most of us realise the world is not conveniently black and white but when we try to call the truth as we see it, it's too easy to pull the racist card. This sort of thing is, as much as anything, what throttles free speech in our politically correct world.
I think when someone puts 'truth' in their username, it says something about entrenched views. When you debate an issue with such a person or dare to take a different tack, you will always be wrong.

Originally posted by seattletruth
No Muslim nation has the money, the firepower, the will power, the manpower, or even the urge to try to take over the USA. You are delusional if you think that. Furthermore, 99.9999% of Muslims could care less if you want to convert. They could care less if you don't make it to heaven. That's your problem, not theirs.

Really? Hmmm...

Looking on a few websites, the estimated world population of muslim indviduals is between 1.2 billion and 1.82 billion, between 2005 and 2009 (the estimates vary based on who is researching).

But taking an example from here, at 1.82 billion, you're saying that only 0.0001% or 1820 people of that total care if you're muslim or not?

From what I can tell, no facts of course, it seems that there's a few more than 1820 muslim people in the world who in fact *do* care if other people are following the Islamic faith. I think the combined Al Queda, Taliban and whatever other nutjob clubhouses out there are a few more than 2000 people.

If you just pulled that percentage out of your head then it, like the rest of yor post, is bunk.

fyi, I'm not a pro-muslim person - I'm an atheist so couldn't care less about any religion. But if you're going to "make up" statistics then expect to be called on them.

reply to post by DirtyPete


I meant if you think that all black men are evil because of a personal experience, you are racist. Sorry I didn't make that more clear.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by seattletruth]

I understand where you are coming from. It's sad to see people fear and demonise the whole population based on the actions of a small faction of extremists. You will find bad people in all religions and cultures.

To other non-Muslims I say this: there is nothing wrong with being cautious or weary. Every person has the obligation to show you who they are and how they feel before gaining your friendship and/or trust. But treat Muslims around you with respect and tolerance. Give them the opportunity to show you their character and actions - not the character and actions of Extremist Muslims overseas.

On a side note, I don't think hate for Islam is because of "American propaganda". Most people are just concerned about the danger of Radical Islam. It unfortunately is a real threat to all those opposed to Islamic Fundamentalism - including Moderates. But we have a much better chance of defeating Fundamentalist ideology when all of us in the middle put aside our differences and work together.

Bringing more hate and division will create more Extremists in all religions in all regions!

reply to post by noonebutme


Actually it was the CIA's statistics that said there is only a couple hundred al Qaeda.. a couple hundred Taliban. Every other Muslim is just trying to survive, find a good wife / husband, and raise a family.

I can tell you for a fact that the Quran teaches that every man is only responsible for their own soul.

Originally posted by seattletruth
reply to post by noonebutme

 

Actually it was the CIA's statistics that said there is only a couple hundred al Qaeda.. a couple hundred Taliban. Every other Muslim is just trying to survive, find a good wife / husband, and raise a family.

I can tell you for a fact that the Quran teaches that every man is only responsible for their own soul.

However, you didn't say terrorist organisations in your post, you didn't differentiate between "all" muslims and those with a more fanatical view.

You claimed 99.9999% of Muslims couldn't care if you followed their faith or not.

I would have changed that to 100% of real muslims respect your belief to "not believe" in their faith.

I haven't seen any stats on what the percentage of fundamental/fanatical mulism extremists are of the world's total mulism population. But at a guess, I'd estimate it as higher than 0.0001%.

This is truly not the best thought out rant I have seen. You say all Islamic countries are on the verge of collapse hmm I wonder why maybe their religion is just a little to radical and factions split off and instead of living together they feel the need to kill off the opposition. Could that be it? But no it is grand economic plan to enslave them ya right except for the fact they have been doing it for longer than most countries have been in existence.

Defend them all you want but the facts are the facts I look at it like this they have a faction that is very radical and instead of dealing with they hide and even help the radicals in my book that makes them all radicals to some degree. What do they think of non believers? Do women have rights? is there religion war based? simple questions lets hear some simple answers until I hear a good explanation I view them as war mongering women hating radical nut jobs who can not live well in civilized society just look at what is happening in Europe they just do not want to fit in it is their choice and they are making it.



[edit on 22-1-2010 by Subjective Truth]

Originally posted by Subjective Truth
until I hear a good explanation I view them as war mongering women hating radical nut jobs who can not live well in civilized society just look at what is happening in Europe they just do not want to fit in it is their choice and they are making it.

You have just exposed yourself as the ignorant hate monger that you are. That is literally the definition of IGNORANCE. "Until you hear answers, you'll continue to believe that", huh? How bout you don't judge Islam until you actually read the ENTIRE Quran for yourself, and then judge their faith.

Muslims don't care about non-believers.

YES women have rights. Lots of them. There's a whole chapter in the Quran dedicated to womens' rights, it's called "Women", and gives them lots of rights, especially after divorce or having a child.

No, the religion is not "war based". Islam is a religion of peace. Read the Quran. It shuns the agressors in any war, and only advocates self defense.

And PS... They don't hate women either. More lies from your ignorant mouth.

[edit on 22-1-2010 by seattletruth]

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You normally write a pretty good post and are generally very likeable, in my estimation

So let's take a look at what's happened here before this gets worse

You, like most of us, were probably raised to believe your religion/nation is the best one. That's what they do ... they get you when you're young. Not just you ... all of us, ok

Most of us grow up and see the negatives aspects of our religion and nation, but even so, we're all likely to feel it personally at some point and we amaze ourselves with how emotional we've become about something we'd believed we'd mastered, namely, the knee jerk response when our religion or nation or family is insulted or portrayed in poor light

I can remember when I wasn't even aware of the word 'muslim'. Then, when I did hear a bit about it, I put it in the category of 'other' religions, along with Buddhism, Hinduism, Jainism, etc.

As to Muslims, all I knew or cared was that they lived 'somewhere else' ... in their own land

Then we had the muslim invasion. I didn't ask for it, nor did anyone I know. It was arranged by come-and-go politicians. And the public wasn't happy about it. So then the politicans and their buddies the whore-media started lying about it and about how many they were 'letting in'. They downplayed the figure drastically for decades

Next we knew, women wearing table-cloth apparel were trudging through shopping malls. And aggressive, jaw-thrusting, tight-jeans wearing Muslim youths ....... always in GANGS ..... were taking over the town centres by day and dominating the highways by night. They picked fights. They made disgusting remarks about women ... total strangers to them ... in their own language (and yes, by then, many of us had learned what these disgusting noises meant). Shar mutto, for example. Want to translate that for the forum ? Bet you don't. And it is THE most common expression tossed around by GANGS of aggressive, groin-obessed muslim youths at little girls, teenage girls, married young mothers, even middle aged women minding their own business. It means 'hairy female orifice' doesn't it ? Nice huh ? That's how muslims raise their sons ? Not to be grateful for the chance to experience civilisation, but to insult the host nations women in the most foul manner

Next came the muslim intimidation tactics. First they'd bribe and threaten weak local authorities into paying for (with ratepayers and taxpayers money, the HOST's money) a school JUST for muslim children .. then a mosque AND a tower that completely dominated the local populations' suburban architecture

Then, muslims park their cars on the HOST populations' lawns and well-maintained nature-strips ... even across the HOSTS' driveways

Any of the HOST population who object are monstered by hulking, swearing, threatening muslim male GANGS. And later that night, there will be destruction of the person's car or garden or banging on the door followed by a bashing by a GANG of muslim males

Muslims don't like work, it seems. They like to live on the back of the HOST population

When muslims do get a job, it's amazing how MANY of them sue their employer for 'back injury' and live for free thereafter

And that's just your ordinary muslim migrant. That's considered by the HOST population to be 'typical' of muslims

Ok. There are some better and some worse. Those better are industrious and polite. Those worse are gang rapists who target the HOST populations' daughters, then rape those girls in packs and film it and send it to their friends as its happening

If the host population could get the politicians responsible for inflicting this growing muslim plague, they would skin them alive as a lesson to future politicians. The host nation does NOT want muslim migrants. Our message to politicians is this: ' You like them? Good, then YOU move to muslim nations instead of bringing them here'

And I have not mentioned one word about the Koran here ... although I do suggest you get online now and read Ayotollah Khomeini's Little Green Book .... all about how it's ok for muslim males to have sex with infants and animals, for example. If you can't find it, let me know and I'll post excerpts and links in this thread for you

You'll notice I haven't mentioned one word about Muslim heaven and the promised 74 virgins and the rest of the sex-obsessed nonsense. Last time I did (and I quoted DIRECT from the source) a Mod removed my post and censured me for posting 'FILTH and DEPRAVITY' ... yet I'd posted direct from the MUSLIM WEBSITE and provided the link ! So that's what the Mods think of it .. they think it's depraved filth so awful that they removed it. Yet it remains on the muslim website. Go figure


Anyway, hope I've shown you why muslims aren't popular in some quarters. It's not the world that has to adapt, it's you. Maybe if you stepped beyond what you've been TOLD to believe and defend, and looked at it from the non-muslim perspective, you'd realize why things are the way they are

Because, lets be honest here, you MAY be sick of people's opinions of muslims, but so what ? You're not going to change people's opinions. Only muslims can do that ... if they're interested in doing so. But it looks as if they'd prefer to just take over one suburb, one town, one city, one nation at a time, using that ever increasing muslim migrant army ... all teh while playing victim as they build yet another mosque, another muslim-only school, and forcing removal of Christmas trees and Christmas cards and Christmas pantomimes along the way



[edit on 22-1-2010 by Dock9]

Ps: my feeling regarding muslims have not been influenced by 'American propaganda' one iota. I would swear to that on a Bible in court if necessary

I have posted long and hard against the US invasions of Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere and have been insulted, had points removed and paid the price for doing so, down the years. I would do it all again because it happens to be what I believe

No, my impressions of muslims are entirely attributable to muslim behaviours as I have personally observed them

Muslims are liked or disliked, in the overwhelming majority of cases, based on how muslims conduct themselves in civilian life. I know you most likely won't want to accept that, but it's the way it is

In fact, in the US, it appears they receive a better class of muslim migrant compared with those foisted on Australia and the UK and most of Europe

If you were to have your memory wiped for a day (so that you don't remember you're a muslim) and be allowed to observe the complete destruction of entire European societies and culture by ridiculous levels of muslim migrants, you would be saying what I and other are saying about muslims

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The level of ignorance, hatred, prejudice and stereotyping in your post is FANTASTICALLY DISGUSTING.

Nice work. You must be proud.

Originally posted by DirtyPete

Originally posted by seattletruth
What if a black man tried to rape you? What if a black man tried to rob you? What if it happened multiple times, by different black men? Does that mean that all black men are evil? No. It means your a racist.

So, if you're robbed or raped by multiple black men it makes you a racist?

(scratches head and adjusts kevlar lined tin foil hat) excuse me, I'm going to have to go with the obvious on this one and say NO, it wouldnt make you racist, it would mean youre living or loitering in a high density black population area riddled with rapists and youre activities are without safety or thought, OR youre the new fish in a high density black populated cell block.
Remove race entirely, this is just a loaded stat.

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I see. What you've tried to say is that you don't handle truth and reality very well

The bottom line is that people have been killing each other over differences in beliefs for 2000 years and it will not stop EVER. I am an American and I don't care what anyone believes in or does not believe in. I just do not want anyones religion shoved down my throat and I certainly do not want to see people who are Muslim or Protestant or whatever blowing people up.

In Ireland the Catholic and Protestants have been killing each other for ever and kids have to be escorted to school over there so they are not attacked. In the Middle East you have Muslims blowing up Muslims?

None of this is new and it is not going away. Peace out.

What you don't think there 's a lot of americans who don't know this?

Threads that start out with," I am so sick of this or that or what not"
are a crack up. Here's a hint, nobody even gives a crap what you are sick
of k? Nobody cares what makes you sick. Starting a thread that way suggests we all are supposed to. getta grip.

reply to post by seattletruth


I base my opinions of islam on books,videos and news.One question for
you...Have you ever watched the video,Obsession,radical islams war against the west?You will get a pretty good idea why a lot of people fear
the muslims.Then,that fear grows into mistrust and finally into hate.

reply to post by Emerald The Paradigm


Like I said, if not believing the inside job nonsense makes me a tool, so be it. That you didn't even bother to read the entire post because you and I disagree on that point says much.

I cannot see how anyone who worships any positive god figure can attempt to disrespect any other religion that is attempting to guide the souls to the same positive EXISTANCE. Me I live in America and was basically influenced by my parents with CHRISTIANITY. But as I grew I began to study all religions as best as 1 can and came to the conclusion that most if not all religions are sending the same message but in different languages. The message is to live as positive as you can and acknowledge your creator. So to me ISLAM is a good religion just as CHRISTIANITY.

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