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Originally posted by Kailassa
The length of time between generations will certainly have an effect on the rate of evolution.
This will also be affected by the living conditions within the society studied. The more difficult it is for individuals to live long enough to pass on their genes, the more quickly negative survival traits will disappear from the genome.
The need for sperm of various potential sires to compete against each other causes fitter sperm to be favoured, and have a greater chance of passing on their genetic code.
The traits most likely to enable the sperm of a primate to win this race are swimming-speed, volume, and pacmanoidism.
You see pacmanoidism, (the development of scavenger sperm which seek out and ingest sperm of the rival primate,) would inevitably result in evolutionary countermeasures, such as a taste disgusting enough to make ingestion of sperm abhorrent.
Such males could find their seminal fluid becoming as bitter and unwanted as the resident misogynists.
No, that is not *MY* logic, that is the logic of the person that I am arguing with, claiming that the inventions of Albert Einstein were because of his wife, claiming that the Leadership qualities of George Washington were because of his Wife, etc, etc, etc.... I was taking *HIS* argument to its final logical conclusion to highlight the ABSURDITY of it.
Originally posted by Johnmike
This is actually extremely untrue. Read up on Sparta if you will. Not that it matters, but it's bad to use this.
And that biology thing with men and women, I'd hypothesize that it was due to developmental activities and differences in occupations. ex. Legos vs. dolls, outside games vs. indoor, etc.
[edit on 15-1-2010 by Johnmike]
It was also called the 'place of rejection', because newly born Spartan boys were thrown into the ravine if they were judged unfit to live. Infanticide was common throughout ancient Greece. Unwanted babies – usually girls – were left on hillsides. Sometimes they would be placed in a basket or protective pot so that there was at least a chance of someone coming along and taking the child in.
In Sparta, things were, as ever, different. Boys rather than girls were the likeliest candidates for infanticide. The decision about whether the child lived or died was not left to the parents but was taken by the city elders. And there was no possibility of a kindly shepherd rescuing a newborn child after it had been 'placed' down here. The decision of the city elders was final, terminal and absolute.
Such state-sponsored eugenics has won Sparta many admirers over the years. Here's what one 20th-century leader had to say on the subject:
The abandonment of sick, puny and misshapen children by the Spartans was more humanitarian and, in reality, a thousand times more humane than the pitiful madness of our present time where the most sickly subjects are preserved at any price only to be followed by the breeding of a race from degenerates burdened with disease.
No prizes for guessing that these are the words of Adolf Hitler.
Originally posted by Aeons
reply to post by Johnmike
Sorry. I am female, and I assure you that as someone who was essentially without parental influence to decide - I played outside. By preference.
There are gender differences - by they are a scale and not a barrier.
Amazons did exist. They know this know.
Edrick, you fail to realize that 100,000 years ago, men and women were both hunting game and doing the same things, because they did not have a need to be otherwise any different.
Edrick, you seem to think that it's sexist to "lower" men to equals as women
As I recall, before his divorce, Eisenstein loved talking to his wife about his theories and she helped him figure stuff out.
In addition, men like John Adams contributed to the fundamentals of Republican government with the aid of his wife.
Also, the reason women have not innovated is simply you ignoring places where they did.
Here's a fact. Humanity doesn't change.
I think Adam owes all mankind's achievement's to Eve.
Men are better than women at mat because for the last century, women were told to use the unit cancellation method while men were told to physically convert the units.
So sorry Edrick, but sexism in the last century is your culprit.
Oh, and you say women are better then men at logic? Do explain. Because it seems like women were the first to go rally against beer....
I'd hate to burst your bubble, but give a toddler the right toys, and they end up totally different.
And like it or not, personal observation > your words.
So I really couldn't care about what you claim, because it doesn't change what I know.
Men and women are the same.
On the contrary, I was saying they couldn't be done alone. But you're sexist, and so take that as giving full credit to the others.
Sorry Edrick, but you have little to any support here
name me an invention not based on previous inventions besides the work of Nikola Tesla.
"Also, the reason women have not innovated is simply you ignoring places where they did."
Every woman who accomplishes something, you are holding up as an example of their greatness. You *ARE* BIASED.
Explain the CURRENT differences in math scores.
Scythia or another tribe had women warriors.
Citation? I showed you, but you ignored it. Perhaps some more skeletons will help:
Bellow is the remains of a homo erectus female pelvic. It's 30% larger than expected. Ergo, she was hardly a smooth beautiful woman, but a muscular ape-woman with few curves.
Edrick, you fail to realize that 100,000 years ago, men and women were both hunting game and doing the same things
Oh but Edrick, you're pulling more well crafted, but structurally lacking, straw man fallacies. Those great men could not have done it ALONE. Significant work was done with women and, in fact, helped a large amount along the way. HOWEVER, if you think a statement like
"Also, the reason women have not innovated is simply you ignoring places where they did."
That never states that those woman worked alone.
You see what you did there? I see what you did there! maybe you don;t, because your so entangled in your need to make men look better that you have a confirmation bias to your opponents, but none the less... I see what you did there. And it failed.
SATs? Is that your best proof? Dude, let me tell you a little something about SATs ok? They do not measure intelligence. They measure test taking skills.
I tell you this, my school was lower, much lower. As I recall from my principal one angry announcement morning "YOU ARE THE WORST SENIOR CLASS IN THIS SCHOOL'S HISTORY"... except me and my bros who got well above average. And of course, that's why we all went to good colleges.
I did. Most women still use non-math based techniques in mathematics school.
Beer is a very bad substance that destroys the brain and other things. I fancy a cup of wine on occasion to celebrate things, but I have never had more than a single quarter glass of beer in all my life. Nasty stuff.
Because men and women are fully capable of being just as smart as each other.
However, my dear Edrick, I've yet to see most men do this as well as most women. And I have seen women think in such ways. Holographic mental simulation is an uncommon trait, but none the less exists in both sexes.
And now, it's not sexist to say men and women have different strengths and weaknesses. It is sexist to say they are not capable of doing the same things.
See what I did that? I did not use a straw man fallacy like you did.
It does not negate the work of men around them. OK? Got it? No more strawman fallacies for now on bro? Can I trust you on that?
Also Gunpowder isn't an invention, it's a discovery. Inventions are work of men, discoveries are understanding of nature.
The Light Bulb
The Vacuum Tube
So, care to list any other?
Sorry Edrick, you're a sad sad little strawman.
Oh and Edrick, Thanks to the wonders of technology, men can make eggs and woman can make sperm.
And no, those technologies did not always exist. Again this is called the iterative process, which comes after the experimental process. These process, however, are based off previous things. The vacuum tube did not always exist, but vacuums have. Man just learned how to use it. No electronics have not always exist, but electricity has, and all electronics are essentially based off of what we learn and know and develop from the properties of electricity. No gunpowder did not always exist in the correct ratio, but people found out that different ratios did different things.
And I did not apologies for women or men. You assumed that when I talked about women that i was saying they did everything by themselves. Assumption and apology are different.
Also Edrick, maybe you missed the last 20 years of bio, but the simple fact is that you CAN tell the physical traits and behaviors of a species based on their skeletons.
Also there may be a curve, but that's average. That does not remove the fact that there are people above that curve.[
Now I ask again, please go find the 2nd derivative of grades of female students in the US for the past 10 years.
Are you making a point?
So, you are saying that Inventions do not exist, because they are merely ways of organizing the forces of reality to suit specific ends? You might as well say that Humanity Has never Existed... because Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen, etc... FAR predate the existence of man. Your argument here has very little substance.
Well, if your stance is that all human affairs are based on the delicate interactions of thousands and millions of different forces subtly interacting to create the decisions and situations that humans are prone to, then Yes, I would of course, Agree. This position does not refute the fact that Men are FAR more Inventive than women, and create changes in society on a far greater scale than women. Unless you want to go back to your Holistic understanding of Inventiveness, in which case Grass and trees are in a subtle way responsible for Particle Physics. Give credit where Credit is due. Einstein Created the Theory of General Relativity, his wife did NOT.
That is absolutely WONDERFUL! Would you mind providing proof that Men and Women were responsible for the exact same tasks 100,000 years ago, as was your previous assertion? You will of course, forgive me, if I don't take everything you say as absolute truth without some Data and Facts to back up your claims...
No, there is NOONE above the curve. The "Curve" is a bell curve, a distribution of Intelligence by population. There can be NO ONE beyond the curve, because the Curve is a map of intelligence. I am not talking about the type of curve that you are talking about. www.iqtestnow.com...
IT's your position, YOU back it up.
Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Piché
They encode the the chain reactions that lead to sex. These are years-long chain reactions. Statistically, women take longer. God made it that way because they're so damn perfect.