Men more evolved? Y chromosome study stirs debate, page 15
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reply posted on 18-1-2010 @ 05:10 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by blueorder



He was careful not to specify which gender did which. So his statement can still stand.


reply posted on 20-1-2010 @ 10:56 AM by Edrick
reply to post by thewayforward



very well said!


Originally posted by sos37
I agree with whomever said men were catching up, not superior to women.

Let's face it - if there were no men in this world and women had found a way to clone themselves I would guess there would be far, far fewer wars; everyone regardless of nationality would be treated equal and the earth would be much better taken care of - to name just a few.

Face it - men are the real evil doers in this world. There is absolutely no question about that whatsoever.


We are not getting into this again, are we?

That Women are angelic creatures that can do no wrong?

That if women ran the world, we would be living in some kind of utopia?


Making the world more compassionate?

Really?

Do I have to bring Mary the First up again?

"Bloody Mary" they called her, who ran *ENGLAND*, and united her country under roman Catholicism by BURNING HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE AT THE STAKE?

Exiling THOUSANDS under THREAT OF DEATH?

IT was Called the Marian Persecutions.... THEY WERE NAMED AFTER HER!

SHE Started TWO WARS!


OH, Illusionsaregrander, if you are still reading this thread... THIS is what that 10 page argument was ABOUT.


OH, and just for Honesty's sake... thewayforward... your post is sexist.

-Edrick


reply posted on 20-1-2010 @ 11:19 AM by ProtoplasmicTraveler
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reply posted on 21-1-2010 @ 08:19 PM by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by Edrick



I have to agree with you Edrick. The "women are inherently more fair and compassionate" stuff IS sexist. And untrue.

Some women will happily bully other women, children, and men if they can get away with it. And, if they cant perpetrate physical violence because of their smaller stature they will use emotional violence and social isolation as their weapons.

Notice however, that I say some. Not all women do this.

But then, not all men are the violent and aggressive cave men that they are stereotyped to be, either.

There are nasty and brutish humans, and there are kind and fair and compassionate humans. Gender is not an easy and quick way to figure out which is which. Each gender comes equipped with its fair share of both kinds. You have to look at individuals individually.


reply posted on 21-1-2010 @ 08:37 PM by Illusionsaregrander
Originally posted by silentthought38
If I may inject a bit more insight into this argument:

Perhaps the reason that the Y chromosome is changing is due to the fact that males inherently are competitive creatures; surely it can be seen in every facet of life (sports, warfare, acquiring mates, the workplace, etc). Obviously the male must continually adapt and become more advanced.



One theory is that it is due to the fact that female chimpanzees mate with more than one male at a time. Hence the sperm have to compete against sperm from other males to get that egg fertilized. That, they theorize, provides the selective pressure needed to cause accelerated change.

So, if men wanted to evolve even MORE rapidly, polyandry would seem to be a way to make that happen. (If their theory is correct)

www.sciencedaily.com...

"The region of the Y that is evolving the fastest is the part that plays a role in sperm production," say Jennifer Hughes, first author on the Nature paper and a postdoctoral researcher in Whitehead Institute Director David Page's lab. "The rest of the Y is evolving more like the rest of the genome, only a little bit faster."


Because multiple male chimpanzees may mate with a single female in rapid succession, the males' sperm wind up in heated reproductive competition. If a given male produces more sperm, that male would theoretically be more likely to impregnate the female, thereby passing on his superior sperm production genes, some of which may be residing on the Y chromosome, to the next generation.



reply posted on 21-1-2010 @ 08:41 PM by RowenaMcQueen
reply to post by Gorman91



Also, the chromosome mutating doesn't mean becoming more advanced. It just means mutations, which it has already been document that the y chromosome, like the x chromosome mind you, mutate over time, and can enable the tracing of lineage on the male side through these mutations.
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