Sitting president's eligibility questioned by member of congress

Originally posted by Gargamel

Originally posted by grahag
When all the birthers start posting THEIR birth certificates, I'll jump on their bandwagon. Until then, I'm all for protecting privacy. C'mon! Put your information up on the web! Quit hiding behind that anonymity that you're all so protected by. Lets see who you REALLY are so we can pick apart YOUR lives and see what skeletons YOU have in your closets...

That's what I thought... If you WANT privacy, you GIVE privacy. Effing hypocrites...

Most people do not have the job of representing an entire nation. There are different expectations placed on someone who has the power to affect so many lives. I think the above statement makes no sense.

I work at a Casino and at any moment I may be asked to show my gaming liscence to prove that I'm eligible to work on a gaming floor. I do not have the right to deny the people that hired me or the regulatory body a look at my gaming liscence should they choose to ask for it every five minutes. I am only eligible to work in a casino if I have that liscence so I feel it only fair to provide proof that I am eligible regardless of whether or not I feel it is unwaranted. Is it too much to ask that the POTUS have at least the same standards.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Gargamel]

If you are allowed to question citizenship, I'm allowed to question it. Why would you ask someone to do something that you won't hold yourself up to do as well?

Another point is if someone said that your license wasn't good enough proof, and they said that you need to get your original application, what would you say then?

Originally posted by Gargamel

Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by Gargamel
For all the people that believe Obama has proven his eligibility I have a question to ask. What proof has been offered that you feel leaves no room for doubt?

The certificate of live birth and then confirmation by a government representative will do just fine. If I was really worried, the word of the hospital administrators saying that the certificate was authentic would be good enough for me.

Is there any grey area with a certificate of live birth that has been issued by the state of Hawaii? Can someone not born on American soil obtain a certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii. Does that remove all doubt about this issue?

If it was JUST that, maybe I'd concede the point, but it's NOT just that. He was SWORN in by a current government representative AND the hospital administrators vouched for his birth records AND citizenship. To top it off, George Bush ceded the Whitehouse to him.

I'll be happy to apologize to whoever I might offend if the story goes the other direction, but you're grasping at straws and it just looks crazy to me.

Doesn't make a hill of beans.

Reminder: we are a country of zombies now. More people vote for American Idols than for US Presidents. But thanks for the tidbit.

And speaking of presidents, I wonder if they ever got that little presidential oath thing worked out. Oh so what, it's such a trivial thing after all.



[edit on 7-1-2010 by Bombeni]

Most people do not have the job of representing an entire nation. There are different expectations placed on someone who has the power to affect so many lives. I think the above statement makes no sense.

I work at a Casino and at any moment I may be asked to show my gaming liscence to prove that I'm eligible to work on a gaming floor. I do not have the right to deny the people that hired me or the regulatory body a look at my gaming liscence should they choose to ask for it every five minutes. I am only eligible to work in a casino if I have that liscence so I feel it only fair to provide proof that I am eligible regardless of whether or not I feel it is unwaranted. Is it too much to ask that the POTUS have at least the same standards.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Gargamel]
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If you are allowed to question citizenship, I'm allowed to question it. Why would you ask someone to do something that you won't hold yourself up to do as well?

Another point is if someone said that your license wasn't good enough proof, and they said that you need to get your original application, what would you say then?
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I believe that I just stated that I show my liscence, which is the official document, whenever asked. If my job required me to show my BC, I would gladly do so.

I don't believe people are asking to see his BC application but the actual form created with ALL relevant information i.e. the LONG form of his BC.

[edit on 7-1-2010 by Gargamel]

Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by Gargamel

Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by Gargamel
For all the people that believe Obama has proven his eligibility I have a question to ask. What proof has been offered that you feel leaves no room for doubt?

The certificate of live birth and then confirmation by a government representative will do just fine. If I was really worried, the word of the hospital administrators saying that the certificate was authentic would be good enough for me.

Is there any grey area with a certificate of live birth that has been issued by the state of Hawaii? Can someone not born on American soil obtain a certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii. Does that remove all doubt about this issue?

If it was JUST that, maybe I'd concede the point, but it's NOT just that. He was SWORN in by a current government representative AND the hospital administrators vouched for his birth records AND citizenship. To top it off, George Bush ceded the Whitehouse to him.

I'll be happy to apologize to whoever I might offend if the story goes the other direction, but you're grasping at straws and it just looks crazy to me.

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I don't think I'm grasping at straws. There has been questions raised that I believe are legitimate and instead of clearing things up all people are getting is the run around. Nothing that you have said above proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything is on the up and up. It is such a simple request that the pushback about it alone is cause for concern.

reply to post by grahag


I have had to use my BC for all sorts of reasons,

Here is the deal,

As I understand it, it all boils down to trust, and honesty,

If you cannot trust someone to be "transparent', and honest with the "small" things, how can you trust them when it comes to the HUGE issues,

It is not even about the birth certificate any longer, there is plenty of corruption enough to fill a book.

Some say OH, it just the BC, why worry about something so unimportant, but then we become so complacent we don't even worry about life altering issues.

Let's see,

Congress Tinkers with Withholding Tax Tables for 2010

C-SPAN CEO: White House Has Allowed Only ‘One Hour’ of Health Care Coverage
www.breitbart.tv...

Obama lies eight times, on this issue alone
www.bloomberg.com...

Geithner’s Fed Told AIG to Limit Swaps Disclosure
www.bloomberg.com...

Nelson: We should have waited on health care
www.fremonttribune.com...

and here according to Judicial watch, is the list of the most corrupt,

Judicial Watch Announces List of Washington's "Ten Most Wanted Corrupt Politicians" for 2009

www.judicialwatch.org...

Lookie here, number seven,

Our dear leader, BHO

President Barack Obama: During his presidential campaign, President Obama promised to run an ethical and transparent administration. However, in his first year in office, the President has delivered corruption and secrecy, bringing Chicago-style political corruption to the White House. Consider just a few Obama administration "lowlights" from year one: Even before President Obama was sworn into office, he was interviewed by the FBI for a criminal investigation of former Illinois Governor Rod Blagojevich's scheme to sell the President's former Senate seat to the highest bidder. (Obama's Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel and slumlord Valerie Jarrett, both from Chicago, are also tangled up in the Blagojevich scandal.) Moreover, the Obama administration made the startling claim that the Privacy Act does not apply to the White House. The Obama White House believes it can violate the privacy rights of American citizens without any legal consequences or accountability. President Obama boldly proclaimed that "transparency and the rule of law will be the touchstones of this presidency," but his administration is addicted to secrecy, stonewalling far too many of Judicial Watch's Freedom of Information Act requests and is refusing to make public White House visitor logs as federal law requires. The Obama administration turned the National Endowment of the Arts (as well as the agency that runs the AmeriCorps program) into propaganda machines, using tax dollars to persuade "artists" to promote the Obama agenda. According to documents uncovered by Judicial Watch, the idea emerged as a direct result of the Obama campaign and enjoyed White House approval and participation. President Obama has installed a record number of "czars" in positions of power. Too many of these individuals are leftist radicals who answer to no one but the president. And too many of the czars are not subject to Senate confirmation (which raises serious constitutional questions). Under the President's bailout schemes, the federal government continues to appropriate or control -- through fiat and threats -- large sectors of the private economy, prompting conservative columnist George Will to write: "The administration's central activity -- the political allocation of wealth and opportunity -- is not merely susceptible to corruption, it is corruption." Government-run healthcare and car companies, White House coercion, uninvestigated ACORN corruption, debasing his office to help Chicago cronies, attacks on conservative media and the private sector, unprecedented and dangerous new rights for terrorists, perks for campaign donors – this is Obama's "ethics" record -- and we haven't even gotten through the first year of his presidency.

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reply to post by Gargamel


Again, more straws and semantics. If the hospital says it's valid, then that plus his confirmation is good enough for me. For all the rabid folks calling out questioning his citizenship, I don't see even his most rabid mainstream critics calling out on their own for this anymore. Sure they'll skirt around it and think they're clever, but they just know they're riling up the crazies to call for it. Planting the seeds of discontent is the easiest way for them to get people to question authority...

Sorry it's not good for you, but to me it just looks like you complaining that your guy/gal lost and you'll glom onto anything that might give you that second chance...

Originally posted by Gargamel
I don't think I'm grasping at straws. There has been questions raised that I believe are legitimate and instead of clearing things up all people are getting is the run around. Nothing that you have said above proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything is on the up and up. It is such a simple request that the pushback about it alone is cause for concern.

So pushing back is enough to question it? Wow, good thing you're not in our justice system. Due process and all that. It's too bad you can't accept our new president. Let me know how that works out for you...

Originally posted by grahag
but you're grasping at straws and it just looks crazy to me.

Really



This crusade has become certifiable

reply to post by Stormdancer777


Although I agree with you sometimes, didn't you say that you did
not vote ? If we don't exercise some of the rights we have, how
can we expect things to be the way we want them to be ?

Peace.

Originally posted by grahag
reply to post by Gargamel

 

Again, more straws and semantics. If the hospital says it's valid, then that plus his confirmation is good enough for me. For all the rabid folks calling out questioning his citizenship, I don't see even his most rabid mainstream critics calling out on their own for this anymore. Sure they'll skirt around it and think they're clever, but they just know they're riling up the crazies to call for it. Planting the seeds of discontent is the easiest way for them to get people to question authority...

Sorry it's not good for you, but to me it just looks like you complaining that your guy/gal lost and you'll glom onto anything that might give you that second chance...

Seeing as I am not American I don't have a guy or gal. The POTUS offices decisions affect many nations and I just feel that there is enough doubt that the prudent thing to do would be to provide what is being asked for i.e the long form of his BC. What is so sinister about this request? Why leave room for doubt even if it is crazies that are in doubt, after all being crazy in some peoples opinion does not make the evasiveness of the question posed any less concerning.

Originally posted by grahag

Originally posted by Gargamel
I don't think I'm grasping at straws. There has been questions raised that I believe are legitimate and instead of clearing things up all people are getting is the run around. Nothing that you have said above proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that everything is on the up and up. It is such a simple request that the pushback about it alone is cause for concern.

So pushing back is enough to question it? Wow, good thing you're not in our justice system. Due process and all that. It's too bad you can't accept our new president. Let me know how that works out for you...

It is the other way around, the pushback after the question was posed is concerning. I believe in the Justice system that may be seen as contempt,

Originally posted by Bombeni
Doesn't make a hill of beans.

Reminder: we are a country of zombies now. More people vote for American Idols than for US Presidents. But thanks for the tidbit.

And speaking of presidents, I wonder if they ever got that little presidential oath thing worked out. Oh so what, it's such a trivial thing after all.



[edit on 7-1-2010 by Bombeni]

Yes, look away.

Originally posted by genius/idoit
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Just remember the Nazi's weren't put into power as a fully grown political party it started slowly with people who had honestly good intentions at first.

Does any one else think we live in a country that is a few bad decisions away from this?

God Bless America!Keep her free!

Well, do you remember the "indefinite detention" thread we had in which it is shown that Obama was talking about making it legal to detain anyone indefinetely for being "possible terrorists"?.... Even if there was no proof of wrongdoing?.....

This was shown on Rachel Madow (sp?) and even she was appalled by Obama saying these things....

We have the Obama youths singing praising songs to Obama...Obama, and Emmanuel wanting to have a new force just as well trained, as well equiped as the military, but of course responding to Obama.... The Armed Forces we have now are supposed to do this so why would Obama/Emmanuel Rham need more of their own police forces?....

Emmaneul Rham has been talking about having EVERY American do some form of FORCED Community Service, and everyone from age 18-25 would have to do about 3 months or more of military training....and then about 100 hours of FORCED Community Service...and the bastard claimed this would show Americans what it really means to be an American?.... This is more like to show Americans what it means to be a good new Gestapo officer.....

Of course every time you show the similarities between the Obama regime, and the regime of Hitler the Obama fans claim "this is not true"...even though you have some "progressives/Democrats/Liberals" in these forums claiming FORCED Community Service will do good for the country....

This is the same mentality that formed the National Socialist regime of Germany, and other Socialist dictatorships around the world....but some people still don't see these similarities and they try to dismiss them, or just ignore them because it is easier than admit what they are embracing....

Ooops, i hear a knock at my door....let's see if it's the Secret Service.....


[edit on 7-1-2010 by ElectricUniverse]

reply to post by dereks


News flash,

the only reason Obama's eligibility is being questioned is because he is black. That is a fact the "birthers" cannot hide

This is not a fact!It is your opinion and goes to show your latent racism and inability to form a rational rebuttal.

Originally posted by Gargamel

Originally posted by grahag
reply to post by Gargamel

 

Again, more straws and semantics. If the hospital says it's valid, then that plus his confirmation is good enough for me. For all the rabid folks calling out questioning his citizenship, I don't see even his most rabid mainstream critics calling out on their own for this anymore. Sure they'll skirt around it and think they're clever, but they just know they're riling up the crazies to call for it. Planting the seeds of discontent is the easiest way for them to get people to question authority...

Sorry it's not good for you, but to me it just looks like you complaining that your guy/gal lost and you'll glom onto anything that might give you that second chance...

Seeing as I am not American I don't have a guy or gal. The POTUS offices decisions affect many nations and I just feel that there is enough doubt that the prudent thing to do would be to provide what is being asked for i.e the long form of his BC. What is so sinister about this request? Why leave room for doubt even if it is crazies that are in doubt, after all being crazy in some peoples opinion does not make the evasiveness of the question posed any less concerning.

This issue has been thrown out of court MANY times already, it is a waste of tax payer
money and it is being used as a political tool.

Here is the certificate, it is a legally binding state document

www.factcheck.org...



[edit on 7-1-2010 by Janky Red]

Originally posted by genius/idoit
This is not a fact!

Yes it is, but you do not like it. Obama has shown his certificate, it is available for anyone to see, but you keep whining about it as it has nothing at all to do with the certificate, but his colour

guys think about this for a second.... look at who is in line to be president if OBAMA is ousted?

President Joe Biden... or Nancy Pelosi...

(Shudders)

[edit on 1/7/2010 by ugie1028]

Bwahahahaa. That's awesome!

yet one more elected official demonstrating how stupid and prejudice they are.

Obama's info, the newspaper microfiche with his birth announcement (in Hawaii in August of 1961), His certificate and the state of Hawaii's confirmation of same are all available for public viewing.

But rest assured some lead poisoned, stupid as a box of rocks, likely racist idiot will continue to bring this up.

Following that, it seems it will get posted into some forum as a point of validation about something.

Outstanding and I love watching it!

Thank you America! YOu are a source of entertainment like no other!

Originally posted by ugie1028
guys think about this for a second.... look at who is in line to be president if OBAMA is ousted?

President Joe Biden... or Nancy Pelosi...

(Shudders)

[edit on 1/7/2010 by ugie1028]

Don't worry Obama will never be ousted.