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War has been declared! Against the American People

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posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 10:47 PM
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reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


Ya know, maybe the OP has a point!
Let's think back to the good old days of government...........
Back to, when blacks and women couldn't vote. Back when you could keep the darn Jews, Mexicans outta your neighborhood!
Wait. That doesn't sound so free.
Hmmm
Ok, when men were men, could own slaves, kill Indians and steal their stuff! I guess that was Ok if you were white! But still not free.
Hmm Lets go further back,.....back.... back.
Back to 98% of human history when you had no rights at all! NONE! ZERO!
and you were ruled by birthright, or by somebody who murdered somebody else. Gee, still doesn't seem too....FREE!
So OP, when was this Golden Age? When were the weak equal to the strong? The poor to the rich? When, exactly was that again?
I could go on, but get the point?
SO! I guess the OPdoesn't really have any good points, but he has discovered that life is not fair! Awww, he's growing up! OR, maybe he's just a whining malcontent that would gripe no matter what!


[edit on 23-12-2009 by OldDragger]




posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by whatukno
reply to post by endisnighe
 



Laws are meant to abide by a given docrtine.


Really? Where in the constitution does it say that?


If they break the very meaning of that doctrine, what do you have?


My guess, different doctrine.


I would love to see a government of anarchy in the US, but I think the actual prospects of tyranny is more likely.


Ok, so you want anarchy? Is that what your saying?


Unlawful and unConstitutional still have meaning to me.


Exactly what unlawful laws are they passing? Isn't it the job of our representative government to make laws?


Do they you?


Obviously more than it does to you Mr. Anarchist.


For if government is unlawful, do we not live in anarchy?


Ok, so by your definition, our government is unlawful and therefore we live in anarchy, which is what you want, but you're still complaining?


What I meant by a given doctrine is the US Constitution.
It gives the direct and absolute authority of the Federal Government.
If you feel differently, you have been brainwashed by the MSM and the Federally mandated school system.

Anarchy as a state of the Federal Government. I do not need the Federal Government. Neither does 97% of the country. But boy oh boy, do they make it seem like we need them don't they?

UNLAWFUL-does not mean against the law of man, every man is given rights endowed by his creator. Now, if a man, of non US citizenship, is renditioned to a hellhole, does this not break our laws of our nation?

You cannot break the laws of nature (Gods laws) and not expect them to be used against you.



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by OldDragger
reply to post by SpartanKingLeonidas
 


Ya know, maybe the OP has a point!
Let's think back to the good old days of government...........
Back to, when blacks and women couldn't vote. Back when you could keep the darn Jews, Mexicans outta your neighborhood!
Wait. That doesn't sound so free.
Hmmm
Ok, when men were men, could own slaves, kill Indians and steal their stuff! I guess that was Ok if you were white! But still not free.
Hmm Lets go further back,.....back.... back.
Back to 98% of human history when you had no rights at all! NONE! ZERO!
and you were ruled by birthright, or by somebody who murdered somebody else. Gee, still doesn't seem too....FREE!
So OP, when was this Golden Age? When was the weak equal to the strong? The poor to the rich? When, exactly was tha again?
I could go on, but get the point?
SO! I guess the OPdoesn't really have any good points, but he has discovered that life is not fair! Awww, he's growing up! OR, maybe he's just a whining malcontent that would gripe no matter what!



Whining malcontent here-guilty as charged.

There was a golden age, when man was governed by himself.

The righteous prospered because his fellow man saw that he was righteous.

Now, we have institutionalized idiocy. All about the almighty dollar. We do not care where we get our daily belongings, because they are out of our price range. GET IT!

Corporatism, oligarchy, divide and conquer!

I could go on. By why bother. You think the solution is better and bigger government. You cannot see the total idiocy in that doctrine. There is no debating with you.

Government is NOT the solution. It is the causal effect of tyranny.

Point to one example of forthright government and I will submit to your idiocy. Otherwise you have LOST the argument, and always will.



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:11 PM
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There was a golden age, when man was governed by himself.

The righteous prospered because his fellow man saw that he was righteous.


Holy Christ!
Moses, is that you?
So WHEN was this Golden age? Were there nuclear weapons? Seven billion people on the planet? Figure it out.
But please! When was the "Golden age"?
Laughable!



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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You are really confused aren't you?


What I meant by a given doctrine is the US Constitution.
It gives the direct and absolute authority of the Federal Government.
If you feel differently, you have been brainwashed by the MSM and the Federally mandated school system.


So the given doctrine is the US Constitution which established our form of representative government.


Anarchy as a state of the Federal Government. I do not need the Federal Government. Neither does 97% of the country. But boy oh boy, do they make it seem like we need them don't they?


So your against the federal government, which is based on the US Constitution.


UNLAWFUL-does not mean against the law of man, every man is given rights endowed by his creator. Now, if a man, of non US citizenship, is renditioned to a hellhole, does this not break our laws of our nation?

You cannot break the laws of nature (Gods laws) and not expect them to be used against you.


At this point you lost me. You're kinda (sorta) quoting the Declaration of Independence, then your talking about a person that is not a citizen of our nation put into a hell hole. I have no freaking clue what your talking about.

Maybe you need to sleep it off and come back tomorrow and post sober.



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:20 PM
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I would like to point you to the fallacy page on Wikipedia, but I have a feeling that you already know it by heart.

Just a few years ago-25-I was able to run a business by word alone. Guess what, if I was found to be doing that, I would be thrown in prison for breaking regulations.

Wake the FRACK UP or do you want your children to live in slavery?

Or are you just a masquerader?

[edit on 24-12-2009 by alien]



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:28 PM
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Do you not know where our first ten bill of rights came from?

They are God's laws.

If you do not know this, we have nothing to discuss.

What I meant by the rendition is that in the Constitution or Declaration of Independence-does it speak of citizens of the United States-or does it speak of man?

Here ugo-one example

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Here another-

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.



Nowhere in the US Constitution or the Declaration of Independance will you find citizens of the US.



Because our founders KNEW if you separated or distinguished between foreigners and citizens that the knowledge of absolute rights would be infringed.

Go to state sponsored school much?



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:33 PM
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Sorry about not getting to you earlier Spartan, had to instill the knowledge of the ages to the unenlightened.

As soon as I get a chance I will watch the videos.



As for the Constitutional Congresses, I am a member of one. We are still debating whether or not to withdraw. We all feel the ENDISNIGHE. We all just feel that to start it, we will cause the total upheavel of the situation.

It is only a small county, 87% owned, but if we withdraw, what will THEY do?



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:35 PM
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Do you not know where our first ten bill of rights came from?

They are God's laws.

If you do not know this, we have nothing to discuss.



Well you are right! God's laws huh? We don't have anything to discuss!
But, I must point out you still haven't shown us when this Golden age was.
Believe what you want, who cares? I sure don't!

But I'm not expecting modern society to mysteriously turn into some nebulous quasi religious ( gun worshipping?) mumbo jumbo that exists in your imagination! You are in a dream state!
We are done. Nite!



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:38 PM
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Here is a new article to add to your discussion the Continental Congress 2009 in effect.

Articles of Freedom

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:51 PM
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Do you not know where our first ten bill of rights came from?

They are God's laws.

If you do not know this, we have nothing to discuss.


God's laws? Yea, um, try MAN'S laws. I think your trying to think of:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.–That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

Those are the only god given rights, that isn't the constitution that's the Declaration of Independence.

And that whole BS about citizen not being in the constitution?

Try reading it sometime. It does contain the word citizen several times.
Whatever, it's just not worth arguing over.




[edit on 12/24/2009 by whatukno]



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:53 PM
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Thanks Optimus, just started reading it.

Notice the same person here is on that thread denigrating that movement?


See, if they cannot have the money from everyone, their socialist utopia cannot begin.

Socialism is a failure, I will still debate you guys, maybe I can change at least one idiot's mind.

edit to add idiot's mind, had written idiot. Sorry for the denigration their.

[edit on 12/23/2009 by endisnighe]



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:56 PM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
This has to do with UNLAWFUL legislation.


It is not illegal for duly elected lawmakers to make law (duh). If it so happens that laws get passed which are unconstitutional then it is the duty of the Judicial Branch to place a check on them. So if there is some legislation you don't like then you have every right to challenge it in court but I doubt you will. It is a whole lot easier and less costly to shout brain-dead claptrap in public forums and town hall meetings.



Originally posted by endisnigheBut of course we have Polynomial C and OldDragger giving me dog poo about me bitching about Obama.

When did I mention OBAMA?
(...)
This has to do with CONTINUAL WAR. This has to do with the STATUS QUO.


en.wikipedia.org...



posted on Dec, 23 2009 @ 11:57 PM
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I am sorry whatukno, can you point me to the article or bill of rights that states citizens of the US.

I cannot seem to find any?



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:03 AM
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Paranoid much?

AS A MATTER of FACT YEAH!


You can say all you want about the SC being the say about Constitutionality of legislation, but you would be blowing smoke, BSing Per Se.

The Supreme Court does not factor in Constitutionality in ANY decision.

Yes, that is what it is supposed to do, but it has not in the last 50 years.

Now it is all about Federal Power. Period.

Give me one example of the SC giving a decree that a statute enacted by the Congress has been declared unconstitutional in the last 50 years and I may remand my statement. Otherwise my paranoia stands as righteous!



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:07 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by whatukno
 


I am sorry whatukno, can you point me to the article or bill of rights that states citizens of the US.

I cannot seem to find any?


Oh my! You haven't even read it have you?


I'm guessing you would fail the test I had to pass to become a US citizen.



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:10 AM
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Okay, point me in the right direction.

Still have not seen a comment yet about it.



[edit on 24-12-2009 by alien]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:12 AM
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Well, in order to be a senator, a representative, or the president, you have to be a citizen for one.
Just read the damn thing and stop wasting all of our time with this complete and total hyperbole.


The Citizens of each State shall be entitled to all Privileges and Immunities of Citizens in the several States.

Article IV Section 2.
for another.

This is one of those, "I don't like what the government is doing so I am going to say it's illegal." crybaby threads.

It's a bunch of hogwash, you feel impotent at what you perceive the government is doing to you and so you have to rant and rave online about it being unfair.

If your going to go through all this drama, least get your facts straight. At least try a little to put some facts in. Otherwise you just end up looking like a fool

The gall, "As for the Constitutional Congresses, I am a member of one. We are still debating whether or not to withdraw." But you apparently don't know squat about the constitution and in fact are admittedly an anarchist. In fact there was never a constitutional congress in history, it was the Continental Congress. Whatever little "club" you're a part of is just that, a little club.



[edit on 12/24/2009 by whatukno]



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:16 AM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Dec, 24 2009 @ 12:18 AM
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Originally posted by endisnighe
reply to post by Lilitu
 

I am sorry whatukno, can you point me to the article or bill of rights that states citizens of the US.
(...)
Give me one example of the SC giving a decree that a statute enacted by the Congress has been declared unconstitutional in the last 50 years and I may remand my statement. Otherwise my paranoia stands as righteous!

(...)
Okay, point me in the right direction...


You seem to believe others are obligated to do your legwork for you. Do it yourself!

www.law.cornell.edu...

[edit on 24-12-2009 by Lilitu]



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