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Conscious universe getting more support by scientists.

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:03 AM
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It is an easy mistake to make to think that science is neutral, faithless, objective etc. This is actually not true. Science is a narrative on reality, just as religion is a narrative on reality or politics is a narrative on reality. Just as there is no universal agreement in religion, or in politics, likewise there is no universal agreement in science either. It is, like religion and politics, full of conflicting perspectives with different models of what the physical universe is and different interpretations of experiments.


and this is how they wish to keep it going.

Tell me what would be the outcome of the opisit of your own words?

ants would be the outcome? is that a bad thing? or a good thing?

You tell me? New world order is not what you assume it to be.

They need controll yes? of what? me? or my mind? and to what end ?

what is the NWO agenda?



of the HUMAN RACE

the basic instint of every living thing is to stay alive.. and this lot plan on doing so using every trick in the book.. including YOU




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:18 AM
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I completely agree.

Compared to the Universe our entire existence is such a tiny blip in space and time.

I find the idea that each individual complex consciousness is created just to become self aware and disappear forever completely ridiculous.

We are here, we have always been here, we will always be here.


Yeah, it is actually very arrogant a bunch of apes on a spec of dust in a vast and infinite existence can claim to have have the entire universe worked out and impose rules on it


I agree with you on the creation thing. I don't think there has ever been a creation, because the universe is infinite and eternal. The human mind cannot understand the infinite and eternal, so it posits a creation. As you said we have always been, and will always be. This is a beautiful and infinite existence. It is a wonderful place.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:27 AM
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It was recently shown that not just your brain, but your entire body can store memory, such as your stomach. I don't really ascribe that much importance to the brain. The brain is a part of the body and the entire body works as a single unit. The obsession with the brain seems to be strictly a Western and modern thing. The ancients treated the brain as just another part of the body and did not assign it anymore importance than any other part of the body. They have a holistic model of the body.

I think more accurately there are memory imprints in the body i.e., physical memory, but not that memory is stored in the body. The memory according to me resides in the consciousness and thus it continues with you after the death of your physical body.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:32 AM
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the consciousness and thus it continues with you after the death of your physical body.


So according to that logic if i chop of my finger i lose memory? are you having a laugh?

You dont think the brain is important? and its "just" another body part? LOL

without that BIT of your BODY your BODY does not FUNCTION.

?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:36 AM
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It was recently shown that not just your brain, but your entire body can store memory


show me please.

i await your profound evidence

you are correct the body is work as a unit, but the main part is THE BRAIN

its not westen its a FACT.. i know many on here want to wish away into another dimention at times with amazing things like im an alien or i can time travel or some other mad stuff like jupiter exploded


but really cmon...

lets see how you work with no brain? really...

do plants have brains? No heh? yes well i dont know whats brain? or is it the plant does not require one to preform its functions?

does a tree have memories? or not? what is a memory?

you see to be confused is one thing to think your body holds memory in its parts is another.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:43 AM
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The memory according to me resides in the consciousness and thus it continues with you after the death of your physical body.


yet you can not show any evidence for this other than your own "faith" correct?

The memory according to YOU resides in the "whatever" and thus according to YOU contines with YOU after the death of your phyiscal body.

Sure it does even tho all your memory you claim to have was created by you being here and not DEAD right?

work out some logic for me on this one please

simple question

WERE WAS I BE FOR I WAS BORN. did i have any memory of that?

NO i didnt do you know why? I WAS NOT HERE was i?

so if i DO get to BE ME when my BODY is gone.. then what? i am reborn into another BODY from the start?

ohhhh i get it your talking about re in car n a t i on ! doh

what happens if i come back as an ant? do i get choice what get to come back as?

you see were im going with this right?

the problem is people do not like the truth and run away from it

THE HUMAN RACE IS DYING

and soon it will DIE if you keep going thinking there is LIFE AFTER DOWNTIME

deny ignorance? you deny exsistance

pathetic



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:47 AM
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Your body also does not function without your heart. Your point?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:55 AM
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my point is my brain makes it beat ?

?

or dont i need a brain to tell my heart to keep beating?

cmon im waiting



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 11:57 AM
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Knowledge is the highest and greatest virtue, and is free for all, for it is indeed our universal right, and once one attains knowledge; he learns wisdom.


helps if you read your sig..



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 12:03 PM
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Originally posted by Psychonaughty
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Could you please eludicate upon the concepts that you believe to be inadequate. Much appreciated.

As always Namaste brother/sister.

To everyone: You are.... That is all the proof you need.

[edit on 24-12-2009 by Psychonaughty]


There's no inadequacies, just a strong feeling of not disclosing the ideals.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 12:13 PM
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Yeah but the brain and heart do not work in isolation, they work together with one another. So both are as important as each other.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 12:22 PM
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no the heart is required to make the BRAIN function

every part of your body is an expansion of your brain for it is required to do what you do

The main part of your body is the BRAIN without it you have no need for the rest of your body

and yes they are interdependant as you say but only because if one stops working your brain will stop working.

like a car


but who is driving the car? you ask well you are just like your brain drives your body the engine to this is indeed your heart the fule is food.

all aspects of the body are needed in order for your brain to do what it does best

WORK

so for all new age memory in my TOE stuff you are very very wrong.

and here is me thinking your name ment that you have some clue about what you are talking about

no offence intended im just pointing out basic facts.

If you claim there is life after death you are mistaken as that statement alone would mean you are in fact not dead and the term death is not needed

and if that was the case why bother being born?

and may i ask you one question about "life after death"

what was life life be for being born? and why do people harp on about it?

let me show you

madperson: Life is sooo great its wonderous
madperson2: Do you know that there is life after we die?
madperson: Really?
madperson2: Yup
madperson: Jumps of a clif

madperson: didnt think there was any need for that...

sounds retarded? becuase it is




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 12:50 PM
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Here is an article on a second brain in your stomach which can store memories:

www.ananova.com...


Scientists discover 'second brain' in the stomach

Scientists are claiming to have discovered a second brain - in the human stomach.

The breakthrough, involving experts in the US and Germany, is believed to play a major part in the way people behave.

This 'second brain' is made up of a knot of brain nerves in the digestive tract. It is thought to involve around 100 billion nerve cells - more than held in the spinal cord.

Researchers believe this belly brain may save information on physical reactions to mental processes and give out signals to influence later decisions. It may also be responsible in the creation of reactions such as joy or sadness.

The research is outlined in the latest issue of German science magazine, Geo, in which Professor Wolfgang Prinz, of the Max Planck Institute for Psychological Research in Munich, says the discovery could give a new twist on the old phrase "gut reaction".

He said: "People often follow their gut reactions without even knowing why, its only later that they come up with the logical reason for acting the way they did. But we now believe that there is a lot more to gut feelings than was previously believed."

Professor Prinz thinks the stomach network may be the source for unconscious decisions which the main brain later claims as conscious decisions of its own.

The second brain was rediscovered by Michael Gershorn, of the University of Colombia in New York, after it was forgotten by science. He says it was first documented by a 19th century German neurologist, Leopold Auerbach.


Your reasoning does not establish the special importance of the brain. It only establishes that the brain and the heart are interdependent. Just as the heart and the rest of the body is needed for the brain to function, likewise the brain is needed for the heart and the rest of the body to function. They function as a complete unit.

I need my heart, kidneys, liver, stomach, spine as much I need my brain for my body to function. I do not attribute too much importance to the brain. I treat the body as a whole unit. The brain has a function which is just as important as the heart.

As for "life after death" The opposite of death is not life, the oppsite of death is birth. Life has no opposite.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:00 PM
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Scientists are claiming


yet it took the brain in order to discover this?

you any good at logic?

did my tummy figure out i had a brain? hmm?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:03 PM
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The opposite of death is not life, the oppsite of death is birth


Just run this by me again please?

So let me get this right there is no oppisit to life? so what is life then? and the oppisit to death is birth

but birth means your alive? and death means ur not? so life is just some hiddly piddly thing in the middle?

or life has nothing to do with both birth or death?

you are very confusing!!!



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:07 PM
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I think you dont get the jist of a BRAIN..

lets do a simple thing here.

Brain: I need to work
Heart: I give up
Brain: well thats not good. ill clone another.
Heart: Happy days!!
Brain: was nice knowing ya

you see in order for it to be interdepent only require one thin YOUR BRAIN TO FUNCTION.

without they key "organ" in your body THERE IS NO NEEED for the rest ...

if going by ur logic i would be a giant TOE wouldnt i?

because all my body is independ of my brain and do what they want.. but work as a team

NO they dont They are all controlled BY MY BRAIN because IF i dont CONTROLL THEM my BRAIN cant WORK can it?

sheesh



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:09 PM
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Birth is the beginning of something and death is the end of something. What is born is the body and what dies is the body. Life is neither born nor dies. If you take out life out of the equation, as I argued earlier, you have no more existence. So what is the opposite of existence? There is no opposite. As it is impossible for to be non-existence because we know there is existence and existence cannot be doubted because we perceive it. If you doubt existence, you will also have to doubt the one that doubts the existence, and then doubts that it is doubting.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:10 PM
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You think to much of the human bio-chemical body and not of the energy body that you actually are indefinitley.

You also think to rationally.

Namaste.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:22 PM
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It is only your assumption that it is the brain giving the commands. The evidence does not show this though. The evidence shows there is a two way relationship between the brain and the heart, and the body and the world. They all function as a complete unit. The problem in your philosophy is you are seeing them as isolated parts. When in fact they are not. The entire universe is an interconnected functioning super-unit. You cannot even lift a finger if there is no cooperation between you and the universe.

Secondly, as argued earlier, you are not actually your body. Your body does not think, it is the "I" that thinks. It is not your body(your brain is part of your body) If your brain could think, why is it then brains suspended in jars do not think? Simple, because they are dead. They are disconnected from the real thinker.

[edit on 25-12-2009 by Indigo_Child]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 01:41 PM
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Birth is the beginning of something and death is the end of something.


Finaly you admit it !!!

and that is!!! LIFE

you said it best for me


sometimes its better to let people speak in order to point out critical parts ; )

you see im humble because im greatefull to be alive.

I do not question why nore do i take for granted ill be "alive" when im not here.

thinking so would negate my life here as POINTLESS when its not



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