Originally posted by kennyb72
reply to post by GrandKitaro777
Hi GrandKitaro777, I watched the 3 min video which was good. I would love to see the other 9 min one, but the link doesn't work. Could you post the Google reference #.
although it is clear from experiment that an "observer" consisting of a single electron is sufficient -- the observer need not be a conscious observer.source
The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is also frequently confused with the "observer effect". The uncertainty principle actually describes how precisely we may measure the position and momentum of a particle at the same time — if we increase the precision in measuring one quantity, we are forced to lose precision in measuring the other. Thus, the uncertainty principle deals with measurement, and not observation. The idea that the Uncertainty Principle is caused by disturbance (and hence by observation) is not considered to be valid by some, although it was extant in the early years of quantum mechanics, and is often repeated in popular treatments.source
the epic fail of modern materialistic science is its' refusal to take the consciousness into account about life and the universe...
and the fact is scientists couldn't invent so many theories, or anything, if there was no (self)consciousness in the first place...
why is it so hard to accept this simple fact for so many people?
you would be a mindless zombie without conscious mind...
A philosophical zombie, p-zombie or p-zed is a hypothetical being that is indistinguishable from a normal human being except that it lacks conscious experience, qualia, or sentience. When a zombie is poked with a sharp object, for example, it does not feel any pain. While it behaves exactly as if it does feel pain (it may say "ouch" and recoil from the stimulus, or tell us that it is in intense pain), it does not actually have the experience of pain as a putative 'normal' person does.source
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
reply to post by sirnex
That is interesting, how can you have an observer without consciousness? "Seeing" requires consciousness. A camera cannot "see"
[edit on 23-12-2009 by Indigo_Child]
In physics, the term observer effect refers to changes that the act of observation will make on the phenomenon being observed. This is often the result of instruments that, by necessity, alter the state of what they measure in some manner. This effect can be observed in many domains of physics.
All animals are conscious just to varying degrees...i think the complex human and other primate forms have helped us
immensly. We are basically witnessing the integration of new age science with old age science, with old age science being gradually replaced with new age science.
There is nothing in physics that can create conscious experience. It is logically impossible.
