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Conscious universe getting more support by scientists.

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posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 03:53 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
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Are you under the assumption that I am a Christian?


No the question is did you assume i was by even saying it?

well?


Here what you said?


Originally posted by 13579
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Merry Christmas!


Take this little gem for instance...

jesus was not born today was he? NO yet people DONT CARE do they? No why should they? its a reason to give each other CRAP and get merry. who the bloody hell is jesus?? oh just some DUDE who saved us from ? remind me what it was we was in fact saved from im not sure? oh well he saveeed us!!! and now every year "depending on what calander you use" we get to act like idiots and photocopy our arses at the xmas office party.




[edit on 25-12-2009 by Deaf Alien]




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 03:55 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
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what point? the point was about the brain? and how it relates to the body?? i have no point to prove its a well known fact?

or am i missing something?


Apparently you are.

Define "you" and "I".

Can you locate that in your brain? If I cut pieces of your brain, do I take away "parts" of "you"?

To this date, neuroscientists can not answer that question.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 03:56 PM
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Right, "I" am the controller. Not the brain. I am not the brain, because I know my brain. Hence why I say my brain.


Ok let me get this right I as in YOU means NOT YOU right? as in YOUR TUMMY? as in YOUR TOE ??

I am not "the brain" OOOOOOOKk so WHAT are you WITHOUT IT? because yo know your brain?

ever seen your brain? come to think about it ever seen your mind?

NO you havent have you ...

You sit here trying to outsmart me with retarded words like "controller"

This is not a trainstation ???????? Your brain CONRTOLLS YOUR PHYSICAL BODY

YOUR MIND CONTROLLS YOUR BEING

what part of that do you not get? or am i just being stupid in thinking "i" am the body?

if you stuck my head in a jar what would i be then? A BRAIN? what would happend to my brain? IT WOULD DIE.. "unless i found some way to keep it going"

then were does my tummy and body come into play "am i still the controller"?

YES because the BRAIN IS THE MEDIUM THAT CONNECT YOU WITH REALITY

i know your some how confused with this "spirtit" BS but here is something you should know

IF YOU WAS BORN IN A BOX

what would you know?

dont like the truth? to bad



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 03:58 PM
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Are you under the assumption that I am a Christian?


No the question is did you assume i was by even saying it?

well?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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I think the point of contention is that your assertion that the brain controls the body. You seem to be confused, earlier you said "You" control the body. Is it "I" or the brains that controls the body? Make up your mind



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:01 PM
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No they cant .. because the brain is not something that we understand do we?

But i know some basic facts.. without one or if i start chopping bits out of it you will soon NOT be you

The brain works based on all of its parts.. there is NO single part that makes a human work located in the brain THEY WORK TOGETHER.

If you want to nail down some part of the brain that makes YOU YOU then good look because you wont find it

Being you takes a lifetime and is infinte to the person in it. its basic observation of facts

Not silly symantics about this or that.



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:03 PM
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NO you are confused... You "person" Brain "you"

Phiscal aspects of being here and relaity are not your subject i take it.

You said I in reation to "bodyparts" correct? My tummy apparently has a brain?

Yet when i said I i meant me as a BEING "life force"

correct? or did you missunderstand what the entire point of my post was?

try harder next time im happy to help you out



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:07 PM
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I think the point of contention is that your assertion that the brain controls the body.


prove me wrong?

If one was to chop off ones head "or something like that" disconnecting the brain from its "other parts"

what part of your body would witness it?

lets take an expample shall we..

Chicken: cluck cluck
Farmer: sorry chicken but you gotta become food
Chicken: cluck cluck
Farmer: Chops of the chickes HEAD
Chicken: Is no longer in controll of its body

Is that so hard to grasp?

Becuase by your logic the body can do its own thing right now yes? and the head is just mere "body part"

? or am i wrong here?

And if i am please claifry what you are talking about as the topic is about conscious universe.





[edit on 25-12-2009 by 13579]



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
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Right, "I" am the controller. Not the brain. I am not the brain, because I know my brain. Hence why I say my brain.


Ok let me get this right I as in YOU means NOT YOU right? as in YOUR TUMMY? as in YOUR TOE ??


Getting closer to the truth.



I am not "the brain" OOOOOOOKk so WHAT are you WITHOUT IT? because yo know your brain?


What is a car without the driver?



ever seen your brain? come to think about it ever seen your mind?


Ever seen a car engine? It's useless without a driver. Does the engine have a mind? Nope. The car just sits there.



NO you havent have you ...


Yes we have. You have too. Because you are the mind!



You sit here trying to outsmart me with retarded words like "controller"


Who is trying to outsmart you? It is just a simple disagreement. Just a simple debate.

The fact is you CAN NOT show us where you are.



This is not a trainstation ???????? Your brain CONRTOLLS YOUR PHYSICAL BODY

As I have said before. I agree with you. BUT who is controlling the signals?



YOUR MIND CONTROLLS YOUR BEING

YES! Isn't that what we have been trying to tell you?????????????????



what part of that do you not get? or am i just being stupid in thinking "i" am the body?

You are not the body nor you are the brain.



YES because the BRAIN IS THE MEDIUM THAT CONNECT YOU WITH REALITY

Debatable



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:08 PM
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I hope you do not take offense, but your English is not very easy to read, because you do not write coherently. I have to make an effort to read what you are saying.

So now you are saying "being" or "lifeforce" is the "I" ? What is this being or lifeforce? Can you clarify please? Are you saying the same thing as the soul that can exist separate from the body, or you saying something else?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:13 PM
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Ok let me try this again..

Seens as you wish to agree with me but then not agree based on the "singals part of your reply"

You controll every aspect of your being.. the only part you have no controll over "yet" is life and death

The reason why i said YET is simple .. god is stopping you "or at least you hope there is one"..

Now lets talk about death and life..

We did no create life we minupulate it and keep it going via repoduction systems "having kids"

Death is when you are no longer in the phyiscal realme we call reality.. you could go to some new world "place" or what have you but you will not BE HERE and that is a FACT

so you have a choice? call my bluff or stop talking to me like there is proof of an after life.

The topic was about is the universe conscious and i stated clear that it is.

and the reason for that is YOU

how els can it be? it made you didnt it? unless your not consious? in that case its pointless>>

is it not?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:16 PM
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I am saying there is NO soul... there is NO after life.. there is only YOU interacting with other parts of the universe..

Your body is in deed a vessle in that repsect.. but just because you are here do not think death is an illustion

because its not.. and the sooner humans wake up to this little fact the better because the way you are going

Kiss your entire race good bye



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:19 PM
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and i do not take offence at anyting people say..

more so because i find it funny when they object to something like its meant to upset me.

i could right in 0 and 1's because i wanted to yet you would not be able to read it would you?

no why? because your not me but im meant to "type" in a manner YOU can understand

I understand what i type just fine..

see?

its about preception .. in order for all of this to happen "this reality" did indeed require a "method" of creation .

you live in side the very thing that makes you work yet you can not see it and deny it

I find that confusing.

maybe its because i am an alien? never know, jesus walked on water didnt he




posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:21 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
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Ok let me try this again..

Seens as you wish to agree with me but then not agree based on the "singals part of your reply"


In a very simple term. Let's take your computer and your keyboard as examples.

Are you your computer and your keyboard? "You" are relaying "signals" to your computer to make your posts.

Let's take it back further. Imagine your body and eyes and such as your means to relay the signals.

Going back further, where does it end? A feedback? A noise in the brain? A ghost in the machine?



You controll every aspect of your being.. the only part you have no controll over "yet" is life and death

Where did that come from?



The reason why i said YET is simple .. god is stopping you "or at least you hope there is one"..

Um, what?

Parts of your post do not make any sense.

...



Death is when you are no longer in the phyiscal realme we call reality.. you could go to some new world "place" or what have you but you will not BE HERE and that is a FACT


Again, you keep using the word "you". Who am I?



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:28 PM
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Where did that come from?


YOU

there is NO higher being controlling you.. THATS THE PROBLEM

just because your ALIVE and witness to the universe what ever made you think someone is in controll of it? "aware"?

this is a missconception of funtcions

lets see here

Life is not being human is it? NO so what is life? its a force.. what force? well a force that makes us work? obviously

what would be the need for this "force then" ? is it not obvious?

you ask questions dont you? why is that? "because you dont know why your here"

Or is it to keep it all going?

hmm let me see

God: Hi
Me: hey god why am i here
God: you just answred you own question
Me: how?
God: did it again
Me: I dont understand?
God: stop asking why and understand your asking it helps
Me: huh?


you live inside what makes you work

YOUR MIND

the problem you have you cant grasp the fact you live in one...

see that big thing you call the universe IS a PHYSICAL MIND

mind blowing? not really...

after all you cant mesure a mind can you? ; )

Logic



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:31 PM
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Again, you keep using the word "you". Who am I?


you are you.. a living being just like me lucky enought to be apart of it.

Unless you think im some how different from my cat?

what makes a human special? really? NOTHING other than ones own ego.

my cat has no god..

that alone is your biggest CLUE



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
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Where did that come from?


YOU

No, you said this


You controll every aspect of your being.. the only part you have no controll over "yet" is life and death

Where did the discussion about control over life and death come from. I never even mentioned life and death.



there is NO higher being controlling you.. THATS THE PROBLEM

What higher being?????

YOU are controlling YOU! Thats the problem!




just because your ALIVE and witness to the universe what ever made you think someone is in controll of it? "aware"?

Remember my example? Your computer, your keyboard, then your body, your eyes, then your brain? By extension, the earth is "controlling" you then the universe as well, and so on.

Besides, what does being alive mean? Everything moves and have being. Are they alive?



this is a missconception of funtcions

Function... hmmm, that's a loaded term.



Life is not being human is it? NO so what is life? its a force.. what force? well a force that makes us work? obviously

The term human is merely a classification. Something that we term to separate ourselves from other parts of the universe.

Yes, you are correct. You could say that everything is a force. I'm laughing because I keep thinking of Star Wars.



you ask questions dont you? why is that? "because you dont know why your here"

That's a heavy philosophical question.



God: Hi
Me: hey god why am i here
God: you just answred you own question
Me: how?
God: did it again
Me: I dont understand?
God: stop asking why and understand your asking it helps
Me: huh?


"I, myself, and me."

I: Hey you!
You: Yes?
I: Why am I here?
You: You, err "I", just answered your own question
I: how?
Me: Oh shut up, both of you!



see that big thing you call the universe IS a PHYSICAL MIND

Yep, therefore the universe is conscious!



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:16 PM
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The term human is merely a classification. Something that we term to separate ourselves from other parts of the universe.


No other parts of LIFE

get it right.

says so in the bible ya know WE ARE SPECIAL and we need a higher force

sure we do

and function is a drescription of a working system

you work dont you? and play a part in a system

are you not a function of the universe? or are you some how NOT?

hmm



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:18 PM
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"I, myself, and me." I: Hey you! You: Yes? I: Why am I here? You: You, err "I", just answered your own question I: how? Me: Oh shut up, both of you!


this would require talking to your self

I used facts..

God > is a daily aspect of life on earth.
Me > is a logical argument to the apparent question

I can understand your inability to understand satire but please for the love of "gods" dont confuse them as you did



posted on Dec, 25 2009 @ 05:21 PM
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Originally posted by 13579
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The term human is merely a classification. Something that we term to separate ourselves from other parts of the universe.


No other parts of LIFE

get it right.

What? I am not understanding you.



says so in the bible ya know WE ARE SPECIAL and we need a higher force

See you keep referring to the bible and Jesus and his amazing technicolor dreamcoat.



and function is a drescription of a working system

you work dont you? and play a part in a system

are you not a function of the universe? or are you some how NOT?

Yes? The describes the WHOLE universe.

I am not sure what we are debating about anymore.



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