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Originally posted by Navieko
Originally posted by Chainmaker
There is no progression, no evolution toward peace, because that is unnatural in dualist nature. Human history has remained the same the entire time, never-ending cycles of violence. The only progression has been technological knowledge, that simply amplifies our potential for good or evil. It doesn't take away the evil.
Firstly let me make clear, I believe there are two realities in which we 'interact' with simultaneously -- both as real as the other.
1. The physical reality
2. The spiritual reality
If we're talking only about the physical reality, I agree with you. There is no way of escaping or progressing passed the world of dualism. The physical reality and dualism are one and the same thing... or to make it more clearly, I believe the entire purpose for the existence of our physical reality in the first place, is to experience dualism.
Why? To expand/progress our consciousness in the spiritual reality. I don't know what your beliefs are, and I'm not prepared to say I know enough for certain that I'd ever give my beliefs some kind of label. But one thing that really resonates with me, is that there is more to our existence then just the physical.
We're here for a purpose, a mission -- both individually and collectively. In order to facilitate this purpose, we need to experience a dualistic world -- plain and simple.
You ask if Hitler's reign of terror was necessary? Definitely. Does that mean if I was given the situation to stop him, I wouldn't? Absolutely not. I believe if I was given that opportunity, it was given for a reason -- he was meant to be stopped.
The fact that everything has happened the way it's happened tells me it was meant to be. A lesson learnt. An experience, an emotion, under our belt -- all the more wiser for it. Maybe that means things will change or be different in the future -- or maybe not. Maybe we didn't learn well enough.
But that's the beauty of it. The dualistic existence is the perfect classroom for all us students to learn -- and to experience our consciousness on a whole new level.
Avatar is a Masterpiece unlike any other… James Cameron has created his own world and submerges the viewer into a new reality that will captivate and mesmerize you for two and a half hours.
The greatest underlying message in the movie is that of a green planet and achieving our spiritual potential.
It portrays humans as a greedy and self destructing technologically advanced species, while the people from Pandora, are portrayed as a much more spiritual race, needing nothing, other that their connection to Mother Pandora and GOD.
The people from Pandora understand the value in life, they know there’s a spirit, a soul, behind every living being and that we are part of a great wholeness.
They only hunt and kill out of necessity, they understand the body is a transitional entity, while the spirit is forever.
They are in complete connection with their Planet, Nature and GOD.
Their advanced spiritual capabilities, allow them to feel and to communicate with every living entity on their planet. They are able to ride feel, think, and control animals by creating a connection through their tails. Once the connection is established, it is almost as if they become ONE with the animal, or the entity whom they’ve connected with.
Their connection to the tree of life is symbological to that of the Collective Consciousness.
Through it, they can reach an enormous database of thoughts, actions, history, past, present and future.
They pray for it, protect it and ask for guidance; for they understand the higher power behind it. In return nature heals them, cares for them and shelters them. It is a beautiful portrayal of loving and caring for the planet where they live.
I believe James Cameron has outdone himself and has set the bar way high for Hollywood and the film industry in general. This movie gains the highest possible recommendations we can give and we suggest you make your way to your local movie theater as soon as possible. The 3D aspect will only help to submerge you in a new world just as real as ours and enchanting by its beauty and soul.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
When I heard they were after "unobtainium" I nearly walked out.
A Masterpiece With A Spiritually Profound Message!
Originally posted by Chainmaker
Ok lets modify that to the overwhelmingly vast majority of Na'vi individual actions and culture in general being a positive utopia of fairness and nonviolence and rejection of negative use of technology.
The Na'Vi have free will yet are tremendously weighted toward positivity in a dualist reality, and that is not reality, it's only possible in a fictional story.
And thanks for listening, and I decided to throw in a little NWO stuff because I have a point to make in attacking the faux spirituality of this movie, and it's not to defend corporatism and warfare and environmental destruction.
The whole point of the thread is someone saying that they felt something spiritual from the movie. Looking around the net, you will see that the OP is far from being the only one to experience this. Hundreds of people, (and the number continues to grow) are experiencing something from this movie. Let them enjoy their experience and beliefs... just as you want to enjoy yours.
Originaly posted by sirnex
Essentially, let's ignore explicit statements made in the film that imply differently huh? Awesome mindset. Ignore and claim otherwise irregardless of the facts. Love it!
It has nothing to do with God as asserted by the OP.
Let's not lose focus of the real message behind this movie, which is:
Humanity is a greedy worthless scourge of the Earth until it learns to respect the only home it has.
Get bent out of shape much?
Who said anything about 'ignoring' statements in the film? I was pointing out to Chainmaker what the OP got out of the film, and that numerous others felt something spiritual as well. Different people had different experiences from this movie.
Obviously, for the OP it did have something to do with God.
That's your experience from the movie, as I'm sure it was for many others.
Essentially, people should ignore their own experiences from the movie that imply differently from yours huh? Awesome mindset. Ignore and claim otherwise irregardless of what it meant to them. Love it!
Originally posted by sirnex
The only way I can conceive of getting a spiritual experience from the rich world of Pandora is to blatantly ignore the biology of the planet itself and to ignore the explicit statements made that allude to this rich biological connection the life of Pandora shares with each other.
So the OP thinks we can find God in a sentient species of tree's that's been deified by a primitive race of aliens?
It was a pretty clear message and more prominent than any 'spiritual' message. Hell, the whole movie was based upon the human greed and desire for a natural resource to the point where we set out to practically kill all the Na'vi if they wouldn't relocate for us.
Ignoring experiences and ignoring explicit statements made that seemingly refute those opinions are two different thing's in my book.
Originally posted by ReelView
Beneath the surface is a collection of way above average concepts that I've never seen in film. I think this clearly shows that we are coming to a serious change in the world and there are clearly higher souls in the NWO who are fighting for betterment for all humanity.
Originally posted by Indigo_Child
It is clear, therefore, that Cameron indeed was giving a very pro-spiritual message in the film. He does not portray the Na'vi as primitive, but highly developed and in the end their spirituality defeats science and technology.
Thier humility, grance and non-violence to the humans in the end, which they allow to peacefully leave their planet puts them on a higher moral ground.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Eh, it was a pretty movie and all but the plot is as tired as it gets.
It was basically a remake of Smurfs with a little Ferngully thrown in fir that early 90's nostaligia appeal.
Anyone claiming it's deep or new either hasn't been alive very long or lives a sheltered life.
There hasn't been an original story in a hundred years. Just a bunch of repackaged and flashy retellings.
When I heard they were after "unobtainium" I nearly walked out. For the sequel they'll be looking for "cantgetatitium" I suppose? Like an 8 year old wrote it.
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[edit on 28-12-2009 by thisguyrighthere]
Originally posted by Doc Velocity
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
When I heard they were after "unobtainium" I nearly walked out.
I know, I was thinking Who the hell WROTE this? Bob Lazar? George Noory?
Originally posted by amari
I saw Avatar in 3D IMAX and all I can say was awesome. You will lose yourself for
2 1/2 hours and forget you are watching a movie. Were there messages and
lessons in the movie? Yes there were plenty good and bad depending on
your own beliefs what you got out of the movie.
Many will think the movie was made to brain wash people maybe maybe not
again it is all in your belief system. The greatest life form to me in the
movie was the Great Tree, The Tree Of Souls. On this Earth the tree to me
is wisdom and grows it's roots into the ground plus absorbs the Earth's
minerals, water, nutrients and pollutants. The tree gives it's shade, feels the
rain, snow, wind, storms, fire and sometimes the polluted air. The tree is
humanities Canary and will sing in the breeze and show it's disease and
bleed while crying when abused by man or nature. Our friend the tree turns
carbon dioxide into oxygen and isn't photosynthesis simply amazing. ^Y^
[edit on 23-12-2009 by amari]