Classified FBI Documents Uncovered (UFOs)

Originally posted by TimothyMartin
I'm going to post more documents in about ten-fifteen minutes.

How about you post the link to this rar file you speak of so we can check it for ourselves?

I have searched through this thread and didn't find the link to it. My apologies if it has been posted.

reply to post by converge


It was in the first post.

The website is here:
nlostory.ru...

The file depositfiles.com...

A few blatant fakes or easily identified objects in that group of photos. That, along with others saying that some of the docs are known fakes, makes you wonder if thats an attempt to discredit what may be true information in the batch....

Originally posted by TimothyMartin
It was in the first post.
The website is here:
nlostory.ru...
The file depositfiles.com...

Thank you for the link.

Yes the link to the page is in the first post, the link to the file that contains all the information that you have been posting isn't.

I did not find the link to the file in any other post. Again, I apologize if I missed it.

reply to post by converge



The link to the files is on the bottom of the Russian page. I don't know why I assumed everyone could find it... I sometimes forget how werid Russian looks...

reply to post by Toxicsurf


That's exactly what I thought when I decided to make this thread...

Nice good chunk of data.

Seven more documents. More coming soon.

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reply to post by elfulanozutan0


About the Russian Copyright, those are added by the website who now claims the photos as their own, considering they stole them from the FBI.

I believe this is what one calls 'finders-keepers?'

Originally posted by TimothyMartin
About the Russian Copyright, those are added by the website who now claims the photos as their own, considering they stole them from the FBI.

internos already provided background and sources for a number of these allegedly stolen photos from the FBI. They weren't stolen, and much less from the FBI.

As some members have pointed out, this is either just someone's collection of different documents and photos or it's an attempt to taint some of the legitimate information included in the collection.

reply to post by converge


Can you tell which are legit?

reply to post by Arbitrageur


My one question about the FBI saying those documents are bogus is this:

WHAT ELSE COULD THEY SAY?

In other words, if the documents are real and they are also top secret, what is the only way to try and minimize the damage caused by top secret documents becoming widely revealed to the public? How can you put the toothpaste back into the tube?

The ONLY POSSIBLE way of minimizing the damage caused by accidental release of top secret information is by denying its authenticity, thereby introducing sufficient doubt and plausible deniability.

After careful thought, it seems that asking the government to verify whether one of its top secret documents is authentic is like asking the wolf to verify whether it ate the chickens. The only way to know if these are real or not is by independent forensic analysis.

My primary reason for leaning towards authenticity is due to the language itself, though I have not yet done a thorough analysis. Government people have a certain way of writing documents, both in their content and their language. I have yet to see a non-government, non-military person be able to faithfully duplicate that kind of writing. There is a kind of pressure that happens in the face of an authentic investigation that would be extremely difficult to duplicate when creating a hoax. Even Hollywood scriptwriters have a hard time making it sound 100% real. You would not only have to have the requisite "government-speak" down, but you'd have to have the experience in doing such investigations so that you could actually say what would really be said.

Doing this kind of detailed analysis, sentence-by-sentence, word-by-word, tearing apart the document linguistically and content-wise in order to detect any signs of fabrication, would be the only way of knowing whether it was a hoax, and even then you could not be 100% certain.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex

Originally posted by karl 12
You never know, there may be a few diamonds in the rough - one things for sure there are an awful lot of genuine government UFO documents which are floating about in the public domain so I wouldn't be too hasty to blanket debunk the ones posted in the O.P.

You're right, there could be. I did not say otherwise. Rather, I would be suspicious that all of them are genuine.

Sorry dude I genuinely thought you were inferring that because some of the documents were dubious, then all of them were.

Originally posted by DoomsdayRex
Considering the history of this field, you should already have your suspicions.

Oh yes you're not wrong about that.
Don't know if you've seen it before but John Greenewald Junior makes some very good points in this presentation.
Cheers.

[edit on 02/10/08 by karl 12]

A few more documents. This is all for now. If anyone wants to see more, just ask me.

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Originally posted by downisreallyup
My one question about the FBI saying those documents are bogus is this

The FBI didn't say the documents were bogus. They said one document in particular, pertaining to the so called Majestic 12/MJ12, was bogus.

The FBI UFO files are posted on FBI's FOIA page here. Obviously they don't contest the legitimacy of these documents - it's theirs, they posted it.

reply to post by converge


I'm not sure, but I don't believe any of the documents I posted are the same as the ones on the FBI's home page, are they?

reply to post by TimothyMartin



awesome!
i'll read through these later S&F!

S & F as well my friend!!!!!

Great post! Those documents are really interesting. I find page 8 unbelievable. Do you think that one is authentic? If it is, wow!! I am going to do some research as well on that subject as soon as I post this.
Thank you for posting all that!!!!!!!!

PS. That's cool you can translate Russian.

reply to post by converge


I was responding to the member that linked to the Majestic-12 documents, and that is what I was referring to.

What I am saying is this: if any government agency says that a secret or top secret document is bogus, that cannot be trusted since there is no other thing they could say - they will never admit it is real.

Authenticity must be determined independently.

reply to post by sickofitall2012

Not sure if page 8 is authentic, but if it is, that's mazing, isn't it?

Thanks for the S&F!

If you need anything translated, just ask me!