The 4th Kind & Alien/Demons Connection

Originally posted by Koolcdj69
Wow... after reading through this thread I am just like wow.
To those who believe Aliens are demons based on biblical readings mentioned in the Bible and such, it is because the people who wrote it could not imagine anything else, they did not know of other planets, universes, and galaxies, much less beings from other planets coming in UFO's.
Since they had nothing they could describe it in their own words, they called it angels or demons because well, angels have wings and can fly and so can demons, Alien is just something not in their vocabulary at the time, much less their mindset to think of something like that.
Witches would be thought before alien even crossed their minds.

This is just wrong on so many levels, obviously the result of someone who has really never read the Bible.

No where in the Bible does say Angels and Demons have wings, thats from Leonardo da Vinci crap and cartoons.

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in fact in the movie the alien says... i'm...... god, i'm.... saviour, i dont know what the ... means though, but in the end of the movie it is said the aliens are not god they are pretending to be god (key word pretending)

how would you guys explain that in abduction cases the aliens flee with the mention of jesus christ? i've read many testimonies about this, many elements of alien abductions are also present in demonic attacks.



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reply to post by mamabeth
Where's your proof that this god is the true god?

reply to post by Picollo30


I looked into those stories of abductions of Christians yelling Jesus name and I personally think a lot of them are made up.

Jesus isn't his real name and regardless of what the Christians and corrupt Church leaders preach, The Bible clearly states "Jesus" and "God" doesn't give a crap about anyone but the true nation of Israelies. (not the so called Jews in israel today)
No matter how much people pray, you can't make yourself an Israelite, and Christians some how got it in their head that they can be "spiritual Israelites".

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If a person that was made out of 4 dimensions came into a room with a person made of 3 dimensions, the person made out of 4 dimensions could enter a space where they would appear to be invisible to the person made of 3 dimensions. I think there is a connection between the UFO and paranormal community, but I don't think we are going to make the connection until the little green men come out of there saucers and give us the low down.

www.youtube.com...

Great video by Carl Sagan explaining dimensions

Originally posted by mamabeth
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I have really enjoyed this thread.I claim responsibilty for derailing it and
I apologise to the op.We can't be serious all the time,but we should be
serious most of the time.

Sorry to all posters, but I can't be serious any of the time when it comes to demons.

Let's look at the facts, well er there aren't any.

What is a UFO, an unidentified flying object, plenty of evidence for this.

What is an Alien ? allegedly a being from another world/dimension, no solid proof for this but plenty of evidence although some would say questionable.

What is a Demon ? A mythical being that supposedly works for Satan (another mythical being) that were created by the yahwhejesus god that appear in the bibles.

What are the bibles ? a collection of books written by authors unknown discussing, places people and events which supposedly occurred/lived/and existed hundreds to thousand of years before these books were written.

Needless to say very little of the bibles holds up to scrutiny, least of all the "Angels ,Demons, gods, spirits " and such.

Therefor Demons have no more in common with Aliens than Leprechauns do with Santa Clause

Really sad that we can't get past superstition. The "aliens are demons" claim is a new myth in the making. If they claim "I am God" it really means nothing. It more than likely simply means that they see themselves as gods, as many humans believe that we are all gods, unaware of our power and unable to break free of the illusion we've created for ourselves. Aliens have just as frequently posed as jesus, Mary, or some other religious figure or symbol in order to perpetuate those myths.

The most ridiculous aspect of the "aliens are demons" belief is this: why would demons, intent on steering people away from Jesus, pose as something so foreign and repulsive to the average human? Why not create or pose as someone of beauty with a pleasant message, rather than the doomsday speeches most abductees get? If they were really looking for votes, wouldn't it make more sense to masquerade as someone beautiful, kind and with a message that makes us comfortable, rather than apprehensive?

Originally posted by Picollo30
I know the movie is fake, although it was advertised it was based in a true story plus i thought the footage was real when it isn't. What striked me as odd was the way the movie connected to some ideas i've seen here on ats and on my google searches.

The way the alien (aliens? ) posesses the victims involved, speaking in tongues, saying he is god, the father, the saviour... dunno makes me think about the theory of demons trying to pose as aliens. Is it possible that Demons really exist (Nephilims) and they have an agenda for humanity? But if so why would a demon pose as an alien? Any ideas?

Demons are spirit beings sometimes called The Watchers or Fallen Angels

Nephilim (Hebrew 'Nephyl') are hybrid offspring produced through genetic manipulation.

So the 'aliens' are a combination of Demons and their hybid offspring.

It is important to make this distinction to make sense of the illusions and physical manifestations of the alien phenomena...
...and to make sense of their history.

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Demons are spirit beings sometimes called The Watchers or Fallen Angels

Nephilim (Hebrew 'Nephyl') are hybrid offspring produced through genetic manipulation.

So the 'aliens' are a combination of Demons and their hybid offspring.

It is important to make this distinction to make sense of the illusions and physical manifestations of the alien phenomena...
...and to make sense of their history.

You can offer no proof or support for this claim, other than with quotes from the bible. Essentially, that means you have NO evidence from any credible source to substantiate this. You are saying this because at some point a preacher told you that this is the way you should think concerning the UFO/alien phenomenon. Preachers make the claim in order to strike fear in an ignorant audience. No matter how convincing they seem, they are wrong.

Originally posted by Visiting ESB

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Demons are spirit beings sometimes called The Watchers or Fallen Angels

Nephilim (Hebrew 'Nephyl') are hybrid offspring produced through genetic manipulation.

So the 'aliens' are a combination of Demons and their hybid offspring.

It is important to make this distinction to make sense of the illusions and physical manifestations of the alien phenomena...
...and to make sense of their history.

You can offer no proof or support for this claim, other than with quotes from the bible. Essentially, that means you have NO evidence from any credible source to substantiate this. You are saying this because at some point a preacher told you that this is the way you should think concerning the UFO/alien phenomenon. Preachers make the claim in order to strike fear in an ignorant audience. No matter how convincing they seem, they are wrong.

What would you consider 'a credible source'?

No I have never hear it from a preacher...
...and it can be easily established using manuscripts both biblical and extra-biblical.

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Knowledge is power, and not having a strict belief system, makes it difficult for aliens to brainwash you into believing they're something else! [i.e. If you truly believe there is a Santa Claus, grays/aliens could implant that thought into you during an abduction. You'll think you met Santa Claus, and the abduction was OKay!]

Originally posted by troubleshooter

...and it can be easily established using manuscripts both biblical and extra-biblical.

If it is so easily established, then please, establish it.

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I was reading over this and have always been someone that just enjoys reading threads and never posts, but I feel like I need to just state my opinion on this whole topic. I am definitely open to hearing discussions and different opinions. Not saying that I am right in this but from my understanding and knowledge of research I am in the camp that the whole UFO phenomenon and aliens are actually the demons being referred to.

From how I understand it, we are all in a spiritual battle right now between the god and satan. There is constant fight for humanities souls. I do not believe that aliens exist, but I do believe that demons exist in the forms of aliens. People are always pushing for official disclosure of the UFO secrets because people want the truth that we are being visited by other species. I have a fear that the truth about visitation will actually come out and that culture will change dramatically with this revelation. These "creatures" (my best explanation for them) will claim to be benevolent beings that mean nothing but the best for humanity. They will bring free energy and travel, be able to cure diseases (maybe) and claim that it is all they come to do. Slowly but surely, people will gravitate to them and see them as friends and it will be nothing but pure deceit.

After a while, they will claim to be the creators of earth and everything that is there came from them and people will believe them. They will try to rid the world of religion and claim that God does not exist. The Bible states that satan or the antichrist will try to deceive the world's populations in order to gain their souls. In the end times this will all happen. What is scary is that great change is supposedly happening in the near future with the supposed "Disclosure". This could mean that the end times are approaching and the pieces are falling into place. The "pieces" that the devil might choose to play are the whole alien agenda. It will be used to make people think aliens are real and when its too late, the world will be shown the real truth that they are in fact demons trying to take over the world.

I definitely think that aliens are nothing more than demons in earthly form.

Originally posted by buds84

No where in the Bible does say Angels and Demons have wings, thats from Leonardo da Vinci crap and cartoons.

"Then I looked up—and there before me were two women, with the wind in their WINGS! They had WINGS LIKE THOSE OF A STORK, and they lifted up the basket between heaven and earth." ZEC 5:9

If you are wrong about this - what else might you be wrong about?

im sure that this idea of aliens being in fact demons has been present in the thoughts of even those that deny it.

This idea that we are being lied to, that demons are in fact real and not products of fairytale stories, it really gives me goosebumps...

Aliens = Reptilians = Demons
Aliens = not from outer space but from our own planet, they have been here all along.

John Keel:

"The Devil and his demons can, according to the literature, manifest themselves in almost any form and can physically imitate anything from angels to horrifying monsters with glowing eyes. Strange objects and entities materialize and dematerialize in these stories, just as the UFOs and their splendid occupants appear and disappear, walk through walls, and perform other supernatural feats. … The manifestations and occurrences described in this imposing literature are similar, if not entirely identical, to the UFO phenomenon itself. Victims of demonomania [possession] suffer the very same medical and emotional symptoms as the UFO contactees. …"


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Originally posted by Picollo30
im sure that this idea of aliens being in fact demons has been present in the thoughts of even those that deny it.

This idea that we are being lied to, that demons are in fact real and not products of fairytale stories

Well.... no actually. I won't dismiss the theory out of hand as none of us really know but to be honest, the last thing I think they are is demons.

This religious demon spin appears as a classic fear of the unknown. Demonizing that which you don't understand. Religion has been famous for it right throughout history. Remember, you guys did the same to innocent women and burned them at the stake as witches.

Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Sad!


IRM :shk:

Originally posted by InfaRedMan

Originally posted by Picollo30
im sure that this idea of aliens being in fact demons has been present in the thoughts of even those that deny it.

This idea that we are being lied to, that demons are in fact real and not products of fairytale stories

This religious demon spin appears as a classic fear of the unknown. Demonizing that which you don't understand. Religion has been famous for it right throughout history. Remember, you guys did the same to innocent women and burned them at the stake as witches.

Do you really know who burned 'witches' and what their motives were?

Those who don't learn from the mistakes of the past are doomed to repeat them. Sad!

I agree...but who is making the mistake here?



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I stand by my previous post!

Fear and ignorance! Some things never change!

IRM

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I'm pretty sure all of us could agree that anomalous phenomena experienced by people in ancient history would be given a divine or semi divine significance.

I think we would also agree that the experiences of what we call an abduction would have been seen in the past as a malevolent supernatural experience.

This is exactly what we see from myth and history. Up until the 20th century in the West this type of phenomena was originally associated with fey or demons. In less materialist societies these phenomena are still associated with comparable beings such as Jinn, Naga, and other supernatural entities depending on the culture.

The truth is we ultimately don't know what it is. We have theories and thats it.

We know that abductees seem to suffer from post traumatic stress disorder and a form of Stockholm syndrome. Some have marks and scars too.

We only have theories and speculation on how that happened though. I have my own theories and speculation. I have even had some anomalous experiences myself, but I cannot say with any absolute certainty what the origin of the phenomena is.

What I can say is in regards to the Biblical tradition. Biblically speaking the terms "angel" and "demon" do not appear in the original Hebrew. They are words we borrowed from the Greek. Instead Biblically, there are different types or classes of beings. Some of them are classified as celestial beings, e.g. the cherubim, seraphim, ofanim, ishim, bnai elohim, etc. Others are classified as unclean spirits e.g. ovoth, shedim, seirim, tannin, etc. Each of these are described as being very different. Some seem to be more physical while others are less so.

Are there parallels with modern abductions? In some of the apocryphal lore about these various beings there are parallels. Instead of asking if these entities are demons though, I think we should ponder if demons are these entities? Essentially where did the ideas come from in the first place?

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As an agnostic, I believe this theory is a little more worthy of consideration than your average religious conspiracy and run of the mill blind faiths...

For a few reasons...

- Ancient humans are not going to understand or be able to comprehend the concept of "extra terrestrials" the way modern man can

- Religion answered the unknowns thousands of years ago...so its easier to label something they didnt understand as "angel" or "demon" and have it accepted (as long as it came from the priest/ high priest/ emperor/ diets or what have you)

- This is somewhat logical. For instance...A soul who follows selfish desires its whole human life knows nothing of good and love/ "higher vibrational" (emotions?) and therefore becomes "evil" -like- "demon" and trapped in a cold, loveless after life following the same path it created in human form herfe on earth...(that is of course if human souls continue into some form of afer life)... Assumingly "demons" (evil souls?) (maybe some interpreted as interdimensional aliens in different accountings) are not a physical part of the dimensions humans live on a day to day basis and are not normally dealt with and certainly unavailable to be studied, I believe its logical to compare and maybe even converge different accounts of both alleged "alien" and "demon" encounters...

-More recent accounts give evidence to both demons and aliens being in some form of reality (whatever reality is...whatever dimension is etc.,)...which may in turn give evidence to accounts and witness testimony of "good" aliens...which may be considered as "angels"...the way ancient humans would have interpreted the encounter...

In terms of religion, I find faith to be irrelevant. Same goes with the Bible and other religious script and text except its value of historical data...Religions interpretation of God, demons, angels etc. is irrelevant except the recorded accountings of something extraordinary happening to the ancient peoples in their respective records...

I can easily see how people today could be seeing and encountering the same "beings/ demons/ angels/ aliens" whatever that the humans in religious texts encountereed thousands of years ago...The same forces at play and the same kind of shenanigans being pulled by those forces...

If indeed some of the accounts of encounters with actual extra terrestrial/ ineterstellar beings from some other planet are factual then it will only be a matter of time until they either reveal themselves or the "ptb" reveal to the world what many already suspect...unless of course these beings are the same ones that human have been encountering for thousands of years...but then if you are an alien i.e. "extra terrestrial"... why hide yourself for all these millenia? It only makes sense to conceal your identity if your intentions are malicious...in my opinion... And I cant see an advanced alien civilization traveling billions of light years to pull pranks or kill off some un advanced life form on a distant planet...**ahem** earthlings...

So to me...a "demon" explanation of many of these accounts is worthy of more consideration than many give it...