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reply posted on 7-12-2009 @ 12:24 AM by The Shrike
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Well when you have all the degrees, education and experience as Stan, I quess you could say that, however, for now the way you speak and act, your about 500 years from Stans league bud.


I got started in UFOlogy in 1957, youngster! I don't want to be in Stan's league, I'm not a bull#ter! I earned my money honestly. I worked for it. I didn't rely on the gullible as he does and as you must be.


reply posted on 8-12-2009 @ 07:13 PM by The Shrike
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In UFOlogy, a Ph.D. nor any degree is necessary. All you have to do is hunker down, do a hell of a lot reading of other peoples' work and a have propensity to bs without giving yourself away.

Look at John Edward Mack, M.D. and David Jacobs, Ph.D. Two allegedly highly-educated men with degrees and high placement and yet when it comes to UFOlogy, in my mind, they're failures. But one died garnering a bit of fame for his hijinks, and the other is respected by the gullible which makes up the majority of UFO enthusiasts.


reply posted on 8-12-2009 @ 09:59 PM by mike3
Originally posted by xAZIMUTHpx
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Well when you have all the degrees, education and experience as Stan, I quess you could say that, however, for now the way you speak and act, your about 500 years from Stans league bud.


Do you think I'd be "speaking and acting" the same way for disagreeing with him on even just some points? Namely, my main area of "disagreement" would be that of how to handle UFO technologies. He has this idea that important UFO technologies of "military significance" should be kept in the dark so "bad guys" don't get them, and yet I haven't found anything to say what sort of criteria would make it proper for disclosure, nor what "military significance" means. There might be nothing wrong with doing that those technologies equal weapons on other destructive devices -- hey, I think if we have such things, we should actually destroy them ASAP so nobody here has them. We shouldn't have so many weapons, period. If not, however, and they equal something else such as Energy Technologies or Construction Technologies that have very important positive ramifications, then I'd say it'd be worth the risk -- or we better find a way to stop or strip these bad guys of power or disclose but control/regulate the technology (similar to how we control nuclear tehcnology, perhaps) with an immovable binding deadline of the year 2050 or 2060, maybe 2070 at the extreme best, to accomplish that goal. Yes, make that big a change in the world THAT FAST. Why? Because the ecological systems of the planet cannot take the current onslaught from polluting, fossil-fuel burning, chemical guzzling systems and devices we use now at this level for much longer, plus due to the Hubbert peak theory ("Peak oil"), such resources will run out and could cause mass famines if we don't act, and I think an action plan must include technological disclosure to more general availability if such things really do exist. If we don't, our continued usage of ecological-destroying methods and devices could lead to this becoming the 6th and maybe the biggest Great Extinction (next after after the end-Ordovician, end-Devonian, end-Permian, end-Triassic, and K-T extinctions) in the geological record -- an extinction of our own making, perhaps even we too could go extinct. With that much at stake, I'd say it'd be acceptable to chance "bad guys" getting this energy or materials production tech, especially if one implements a serious, no-nonsense control program to reduce that risk. Either we change the world enough by 2050-2070 to either reduce the "bad guys" to the point where they would no longer be an impediment to disclosure, set up some way to regulate the technology effectively, or change the world enough by that time so that it doesn't use so much ecology-toasting stuff -- I'd say at least a 75% if not 85% reduction in all fossil-fuel usage and pollution by that time. Of course none of our crap dollar-eyed politicians will agree to it... geez.... if anything they're the biggest bad guys and they already have the UFO technologies (if they exist)! Gee whiz!
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