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I applaud you pointing to the correct speech. The one that's been chopped up pisses me off to no end. My personal opinion on the nature of this particular speech is that he was talking about communism in the US. He gave this speech one week after his address to the same audience regarding the Bay of Pigs. I'm not a historian, and I wasn't around in the early 60's, so I don't really know the sequence of events that well, or what the tone of the country was, but that's my interpretation based on what I know of the timeline. Kennedy himself was a member of the Knights of Columbus, so I really don't think he was disparaging fraternal orders.
Originally posted by Josephus23
When Kennedy made that speech, he was meaning that the idea of a secret society was repugnant in a free and open society, not any particular one. When the idea of secrecy in a free and open society is allowed to exist in the halls of any political institution, then the people who use that idea for seditious and nefarious purposes will eventually flourish. I personally think that Kennedy was made privy to the knowledge that a group of individuals were hiding behind the many faces of the many secret societies and using that secrecy to take over the US government by covert means. That is why he was taken out. He was about to blow it all open and he was starting with the Federal Reserve and Executive Order 11110. He was murdered 5 months after the order.
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Listen to his speech in the JFK archives. Do not listen to the youtube knock-offs that liberally edit his speech. Click on the "listen to the speech" link. He gave this speech 2 months before the previous executive order.
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I know that Masonry offers you an opportunity for brotherhood, but we have a huge problem in this country and it is all about secrecy.
Firstly, Masons today are far less active in politics than they were 40 years ago. The height of Masonry was in the 20 years after WWII, but the boomers weren't joiners. The number of Masons has dropped significantly, and the number of Masons in any sort of political position has dropped proportionally.
So, naturally I want to start with the people who are the most involved politics, and who are the most secret and that happens to be...
Masons.
I am well aware that several of the founding fathers were Masons and that the principles of Masonry are what this country was founded upon, but things change...
Kind of like the Bill of Rights and who has access to them.
Actually what I mean is that we no longer access the rights that this country was founded upon, because we have contracted the enforcement of our rights to the Federal Government, but that is another argument for another day.
So, if the actual government of the country in which we live, that was created by Masons, is no longer accessible because of the proxy Federal Government that masquerades as our country,
First, politics aren't discussed in lodge. Like religion. The subject of politics is naturally divisive and contrary to the harmony we want when we meet. While it's true that many in the American revolution were Masons, and we still have verbiage in the ritual which denounces tyranny and espouses the virtues of separation of church and state, we also have words that say we'll be peaceable citizens, loyal to our country. (Yeah, there's probably wiggle room if one argued that our government is not longer serving the people, but...)
then why do you not make it your great work for brotherhood to restore Constitutional Law?
Not a contradiction at all. Did your parents ever pretend that Santa Claus was leaving your presents under the tree, or that the tooth fairy was leaving you money under your pillow when you were a kid? They didn't take credit themselves, did they? One of the principles of Masonry is that we do good work because it needs to be done, not for praise or recognition, simply because it's the right thing to do.
The entire idea of a secret society of people who works for the good of everybody is ridiculous, and a philosophical contradiction.
What makes you want to belong to something that supposedly works for the good of everyone, but in secret?
When Kennedy made that speech, he was meaning that the idea of a secret society was repugnant in a free and open society, not any particular one.
He was about to blow it all open and he was starting with the Federal Reserve and Executive Order 11110. He was murdered 5 months after the order.
then why do you not make it your great work for brotherhood to restore Constitutional Law?
Secrecy is Repugnant
Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
There can not be an honest answer from a Mason here, not ever!
Any Mason posting anything considered negative by the Grand PooBaa, will be expelled.
Therefore folks, all you will get is the same old BS.
Yep! I was expelled for posting right here on the good old ATS!
Originally posted by HDFACTORYCERTIF
There can not be an honest answer from a Mason here, not ever!
Any Mason posting anything considered negative by the Grand PooBaa, will be expelled.
Therefore folks, all you will get is the same old BS.
Yep! I was expelled for posting right here on the good old ATS!