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Originally posted by TarzanBeta
reply to post by Parallex
However, Christianity, in its true form, has its purpose in realizing that God is The Creator and that He wants us to be saved from our arrogance and foolishness. If you have something against that, then you are against the very thing for which you fight.
A true atheist, in a nutshell, is someone who doesn't like the idea that someone knows their heart and mind. It's kind of ironic, because that means that the person realizes that they do bad things or think bad things. For that to be possible, the atheist must have a moral sense. Yet, atheists will say, "What is good" or "What is bad" or "What is right" or "What is wrong?" as if the grey area is the only area that exists.
The ultimate irony of atheism and the "pursuit of truth" which they claim is their goal is that anything that is not completely empirical must not be accepted as science or knowledge. However, these same atheists will claim that there is no God and He did not create the universe. Interesting, because last I checked there is no empirical way of ascertaining that information.
The fallacy of demanding negative proof
Outside a legal context, "burden of proof" means that someone suggesting a new theory or stating a claim must provide evidence to support it: it is not sufficient to say "you can't disprove this." Specifically, when anyone is making a bold claim, and especially a positive claim, it is not someone else's responsibility to disprove the claim, but is rather the responsibility of the person who is making the bold claim to prove it. In short, X is not proven simply because "not X" cannot be proven
Originally posted by Parallex
reply to post by Anamnesis
Nope, not censorship or suppression - more a defence against both of them. Declaring a thread a religious-free zone would encourage empirical, and rational debate and contributions.
This would allow the FACTS and GENUINE THEORIES in any subjective matter to come to the surface.
The main problem is the 'wash-through' effect that fundies are using to drown secular / atheist threads with 'their' threads. They effectively spam flags and stars on threads that are pro-Christianity or religion / mysticism in general.
Religion is irrelevant to ATS subject matter, and as such should be stopped from interfering with the search for the truth.
Originally posted by AshleyD
reply to post by rexusdiablos
Well, let's say religion truly is ignorance. Or let's say all religious posts display ignorance.
The site's motto is 'deny ignorance,' as you point out. It is not 'delete ignorance' or 'censor ignorance.' Therefore, it is up to the members to 'deny ignorance' by intellectually debating those religious posts- not rallying to get them deleted (as long as they are on topic and not violating the T&C's in any way). Also, by your standards, this thread would have to go as well due to the fact it involves asserting one's [a]-religious beliefs and 'preaches' Dawkins.
Originally posted by Parallex
"I agree completely. However, I'm using exactly the same tactic as the fundies do - I'm talking about the subject, and applying it on ATS, against the wished of many. If ATS wants integrity and a TRULY inquiring populace, the religious ingress must be controlled."
"I completely agree. Massively agree. However, awareness of it, and accounting for it, are worlds away from enacting it. Is ATS a Christian organisation? I think not. Therefore the Christian scourge, along with all religious conviction must be removed."
Originally posted by rexusdiablos
I really hope the moderators pay some heed to all of this. The slogan of this website is 'deny ignorance'.
How can ATS permit religionists to assert their religion on others and still embody the sentiment of such a slogan?
[edit on 2-12-2009 by rexusdiablos]
Originally posted by onlylonely
funny you should post this. I am pagan but am shocked that thread owner in this thread:
was banned and my source says without warning or reason. This appears to be because it questioned faith. When trying to question it my post was removed. As an open minded pagan I believe ATS is without doubt under seige. It might be time to move on. please u2u me your email address so I can be in touch after you get banned from this thread.