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What if Christ had died/been killed before he could sacrificed himself for every Christians sins?
In addition to the above question. If Christ had not died, Then would that mean there is no way back to haven?
I think we can all agree that God's plans do not always play out as they should. (Take Adam for example, and we all know how that went ).
Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
reply to post by Texcin
Christians and Mayans are very different. Christianity is based on the belief that because Christ died for christian's sins, He is the way back to heaven. So if he hadnt died, Would that mean there is no way back to heaven?
What if Christ failed his mission?
Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
reply to post by sirnex
You again dear boy!
Why is it that almost every religion based thread I take a look at, I see you have already been there
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
God didn't fail... God couldn't fail.. just by definition. God and Christ are the same. God came to earth as a physical man. In this way, he could relate to men and man could relate better to God. Christ always was on earth and still is because God is. As in ... God simply is.
God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are three different aspects (from our perspective) of the same one and are always everywhere. If God hadn't been embodied in the physical form of Christ, He still would have been.. because he always was and is and will be.
Trusting and loving Christ is the exact same thing as trusting and loving God because they are one in the same.
Edit to add: This concept is so difficult to explain within the limitation of language. I guess that's why each person has to come to the realization within themselves of it.
[edit on 28/11/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]
Originally posted by redoubt
reply to post by Ghost in the Machine
What if Christ failed his mission?
There was no mission... no failure or success for His existence. Christ wasn't here to accomplish anything on behalf of God. He merely offered us a path to follow.
It is entirely up to us, as humans to apply our brains and then, free will, to act upon it. It is we who will fail or succeed... which is often troubling to those who prefer to place accountability for life somewhere other than on self.
The choice was not His. It is yours.
Originally posted by sirnex
Originally posted by Iamonlyhuman
God didn't fail... God couldn't fail.. just by definition. God and Christ are the same. God came to earth as a physical man. In this way, he could relate to men and man could relate better to God. Christ always was on earth and still is because God is. As in ... God simply is.
God, Christ and the Holy Spirit are three different aspects (from our perspective) of the same one and are always everywhere. If God hadn't been embodied in the physical form of Christ, He still would have been.. because he always was and is and will be.
Trusting and loving Christ is the exact same thing as trusting and loving God because they are one in the same.
Edit to add: This concept is so difficult to explain within the limitation of language. I guess that's why each person has to come to the realization within themselves of it.
[edit on 28/11/2009 by Iamonlyhuman]
The Messianic prophecies never called for the Messiah to be God incarnate, so this viewpoint is very very wrong, just ask any Jew.
Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
That makes no sense at all. The purpose of Christ was to give christians a path back to heaven by dying for them. If he had not died there would be no remission of sin. Therefore no one could be forgiven, Hence rendering everyone ineligible to return to heaven.
Originally posted by Ghost in the Machine
What if Christ had died/been killed before he could sacrificed himself for every Christians sins?
In addition to the above question. If Christ had not died, Then would that mean there is no way back to haven?
I think we can all agree that God's plans do not always play out as they should. (Take Adam for example, and we all know how that went ).
And for the record I am Christian.
[edit on 28-11-2009 by Ghost in the Machine]