Originally posted by one_enlightened_mind
God can heal an amputee, but the way you expect it to happen is illogical. The scenario in the original post suggests that if God can spontaneously heal someone who is sick, then he should be able to heal someone who has lost a limb. This is a perfectly fine suggestion, an I see nothing wrong with it.
What I find problematic are the rules imposed upon God. It's as if the person asking the question is saying "I'm better than God, so I demand that he do things exactly as I ask them to done." How realistic is that?
When we Christians pray, it is not to ask God to give us things on our own terms. We pray to communicate to him our praise and concerns. We can ask to take care of our concerns, but to expect him to deal with them on our own selfish terms is pure ignorance.
So, can God heal an amputee? Certainly. I see absolutely no reason he can't provide a perfectly prosthetic limb for any amputee. Even if the person cannot afford it, there are programs out there to help people afford them. And if any of those programs should fail I see no reason one could not find a church or other religious organization to help them out.
God can provide. God does provide. He just doesn't have to do it as we expect him to.
Originally posted by reasonable
A brilliant read and I challenge any christian to debunk it -in fact it already takes into consideration many scenarios of christian response. So then.. what do christians think of this? How much more proof could someone need?
For this experiment, we need to find a deserving person who has had both of his legs amputated. For example, find a sincere, devout veteran of the Iraqi war, or a person who was involved in a tragic automobile accident.
Now create a prayer circle like the one created for Jeanna Giese. The job of this prayer circle is simple: pray to God to restore the amputated legs of this deserving person. I do not mean to pray for a team of renowned surgeons to somehow graft the legs of a cadaver onto the soldier, nor for a team of renowned scientists to craft mechanical legs for him. Pray that God spontaneously and miraculously restores the soldier's legs overnight, in the same way that God spontaneously and miraculously cured Jeanna Giese and Marilyn Hickey's mother.
If possible, get millions of people all over the planet to join the prayer circle and pray their most fervent prayers. Get millions of people praying in unison for a single miracle for this one deserving amputee. Then stand back and watch.
What is going to happen? Jesus clearly says that if you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer. He does not say it once -- he says it many times in many ways in the Bible.
And yet, even with millions of people praying, nothing will happen.
No matter how many people pray. No matter how sincere those people are. No matter how much they believe. No matter how devout and deserving the recipient. Nothing will happen. The legs will not regenerate. Prayer does not restore the severed limbs of amputees. You can electronically search through all the medical journals ever written -- there is no documented case of an amputated leg being restored spontaneously. And we know that God ignores the prayers of amputees through our own observations of the world around us. If God were answering the prayers of amputees to regenerate their lost limbs, we would be seeing amputated legs growing back every day.
Originally posted by saint4God
Originally posted by Taskism
Because he designed reality to follow certain rules. A spontaneously generated leg would defeat those rules.
Biblically speaking, God has done many things that seem 'against the rules', which is to say physics, chemistry and biology. Pick one catagory and I can cite at least one example.
Originally posted by Fromabove
You obviously have never experienced a healing or witnessed one. I have seen them and have had them. For me, God answers prayer. If you test God and tempt him, you will not see anything happen. King Herod wished to see some miracles and never did. The Pharisees wanted to see some signs too and were denied. And others wanted to see God heal some amputees, just for kicks, and they too were denied.
Originally posted by saint4God
"The man answered, "Now that is remarkable! You don't know where he comes from, yet he opened my eyes. We know that God does not listen to sinners. He listens to the godly man who does his will. Nobody has ever heard of opening the eyes of a man born blind. If this man were not from God, he could do nothing."...
Doesn't the bible say something like all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god, so basically he doesn't listen to anyone...?
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Originally posted by 4stral4pprentice
Because you are the Creator, do it yourself.
Originally posted by davesidious
reply to post by johnny2127
Belief in god is about believing without evidence. It's nothing magical, and shouldn't be something we as rational humans in the 21st century should be celebrating.
We can come up with thousands of ideas as to why God hasn't bothered to show us any evidence he exists - that doesn't mean he exists. It is far more likely to indicate that Christianity is nonsense.
So if one chooses to live the life that results in, say, being as double amputeee, to learn some sort of lesson from it all, having the legs, for example, grown back would defeat the purpose of the lessons that one chose to learn. That's my take on it.