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The report pointed out that "any person under the age of 18 is considered a child, according to international law, the Convention on the Rights of the Child and, recently, Israeli domestic law," and according to the definition of juvenile by the United Nations' Basic Principles for the Treatment of Prisoners, which were adopted in the General Assembly Resolution 45/113, dated December 14, 1990.
Qaraqe stated that the Israeli occupation authorities "deprive detained children from the basic rights granted by international conventions, such as the right to know the reason for their arrest, the right to counsel, the right of families to know the reason and the place of detention of their child, the right to appear before the judge, the right to object to the charge and lodge an appeal against it, the right to communicate with the outside world, and the right to a humane treatment that preserves the dignity of the detained child."
The report warned that the occupation authorities, "blatantly violated the rights of detained children"; dealt with them as "potential subversives", "and subjected them to different types of torture and cruel treatment, such as beating, sleep deprivation, starvation, sexual harassment, and deprivation of visits. The occupation forced applied the worst mental and physical means to extract confessions from child prisoners and to pressure them to work for Israeli intelligence."
The report also mentioned that during the first Intifada, massive numbers of children were arrested and detained on charges of throwing stones and other forms of political resistance, whereas, during the second intifada, Tel Aviv began adopting administrative detention against Palestinian children and it started convicting and detaining children under the age of 14 for periods of up to 6 months.
he 'IoS' reveals today that more than 60 of the detainees of the US camp were under 18 at the time of their capture, some as young as 14
The notorious US detention camp in Guantanamo Bay has been hit by fresh allegations of human rights abuses, with claims that dozens of children were sent there - some as young as 14 years old.
Lawyers in London estimate that more than 60 detainees held at the terrorists' prison camp were boys under 18 when they were captured.
Originally posted by mattpryor
Yes it's terrible and sad to see young lives ruined by this tragic conflict, and of course one would have to be particularly inhuman to condone any form of (alleged) abuse that takes place in detention centres.
We had internment in the UK during the worst of the troubles as well. If you threw rocks or petrol bombs at British soldiers in Ulster you'd probably just get shot.
A recap of some of the worst of the Palestinian violence that took place during the 2nd intifada, to give these arrests a bit of context:
Dolphinarium discotheque suicide bombing: 21 deaths (15 of whom were children)
Sbarro restaurant suicide bombing: 15 deaths (7 children, including a 2 year old and a 4 year old)
Ben Yehuda Street Bombing: 11 deaths + 188 injuries (including many children)
Haifa Bus 16 massacre: 15 deaths
Tel-Aviv central bus station massacres: 15 deaths
Beit Yisrael massacre: 11 deaths
Moment cafe massacre: 11 deaths
Passover massacre: 30 deaths, 140 injuries
Matza restaurant suicide bombing: 15 deaths (5 kids), 40 injuries
Rishon Lezion massacre: 16 deaths (including an 11 year old), 74 wounded
Megiddo junction massacre: 17 deaths
Patt junction bus bombing: 19 deaths
French Hill attacks: 10 deaths
Numerous other massacres listed here. Comparative list of Palestinian casualties here.
Two wrongs do not make a right, but important to put all this in the wider context. There's suffering on both sides.
Final point, statistics originating from the Palestinians are generally suspect and politically loaded. Just sayin'.
[edit on 24-11-2009 by mattpryor]
Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by prof-rabbit
But, do you accept that there is a difference between a Palestinian civilian killed in military action designed to protect Israeli civilians and an Israeli civilian deliberately killed by a suicide bomber?
Both are horrific but surely as civilised people we recognise the essential moral difference?
Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by prof-rabbit
Oh, my mistake, I thought you wanted a reasonable discussion about it.
Okay, let's get emotive. If it were my government (British), and people were firing ball-bearing loaded 22lb TNT shells into my kids' school, I'd want them to unleash bloody hell. And I wouldn't give a damn how many of their civilians got killed. I'd want every last murdering terrorist to burn in hell. Painfully. And their wives. And their indoctrinated, hate-filled offspring.
If my child died in a suicide bomb attack, I'd want bloody revenge. I'd want to find out who did it, find out where they live, and turn their entire town into smouldering rubble. I'd want to drive their people as far as possible away from me and mine so they could never hurt me again.
How about you?
Luckily Israelis are a lot more forgiving than me, it seems.
Originally posted by RoyalCanadian
why is america supporting this? thats sad.
Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by prof-rabbit
Oh, my mistake, I thought you wanted a reasonable discussion about it.
Okay, let's get emotive. If it were my government (British), and people were firing ball-bearing loaded 22lb TNT shells into my kids' school, I'd want them to unleash bloody hell. And I wouldn't give a damn how many of their civilians got killed. I'd want every last murdering terrorist to burn in hell. Painfully. And their wives. And their indoctrinated, hate-filled offspring.
If my child died in a suicide bomb attack, I'd want bloody revenge. I'd want to find out who did it, find out where they live, and turn their entire town into smouldering rubble. I'd want to drive their people as far as possible away from me and mine so they could never hurt me again.
How about you?
Luckily Israelis are a lot more forgiving than me, it seems.
Originally posted by mattpryor
reply to post by Loke.
I see no military objective in blowing up a bus full of school children, or a nightclub, or a childrens' disco. I see no purpose in it other than senseless death and destruction.
Originally posted by mattpryor
Second question, I don't believe for a second that the IDF would deliberately target things like hospitals unless they were a valid military target (e.g. being used as a rocket launch base) any more than, say, the Australian army would. Do you? If so, why?
Water pipes supplying the facility were badly damaged by the shelling. Hospital services are expected to be back to normal in three to five days.