Extraterrastriality: The Birth of a New Religion, page 3

reply to post by HankMcCoy

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"You are also thinking of the world from the standpoint of an Extraterrestrialist."

Of course I am. I'm Native American. For my people, there never was a UFO or ET truth embargo. This is something we've known and believed in since thousands of years ago. Matter of fact, I can remember talking about the Star People with family members, uncles and aunts from the age of nine.

[edit on 10/26/2009 by nethawk]

Originally posted by nethawk
reply to post by HankMcCoy

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"You are also thinking of the world from the standpoint of an Extraterrestrialist."

Of course I am. I'm Native American. For my people, there never was a UFO or ET truth embargo. This is something we've known and believed in since thousands of years ago. Matter of fact, I can remember talking about the Star People with family members, uncles and aunts from the age of nine.

[edit on 10/26/2009 by nethawk]

I envy you Native American dudes. You guys have the most fun and awesome stories.

I don't think I can take part in this religion. Just because they exist doesn't mean I would worship them. I would love to have a grey friend, though.

reply to post by HankMcCoy

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Hello Hank, I am new here and bumped into your article, i have my own opinions which i will try to explain.. i came here to (deeply) discuss truth's. A new thread is not possible, unless i reply 20 times. Maybe people want to discuss this, then PM me.. Now, Hank, that aside:

Extraterrestrialism is nothing special, just a fancy word for 'finally knowing the truth'

Just as soon as governments acknowledge the history and maybe current existence of "aliens", and that they have maybe be in contact with the aliens, the whole world will start discussing on tv, at home, at work, everywere.. They will discuss whether (former) conspiracy theory "A" is fully or partially true, whatever the outcome, it is TRUE...
Many theory's will be proven true, some will also be proven not true.
For example, A picture came to my attention. Also when i conduct my own little research, i soon discover piramid shaped silouets on official archived nasa apollo pictures taken on the moon.
The following intrigued me, and could explain many things. *click* to see the picture, set time to 5m 45s to see explanation and picture.

By being in contact with the alien species, the 'secret' people learn(ed) many things about Planet Earth.. its own history and what happened on the surface.

for example, how the planet was created, and maybe even why..
also how piramids are build... oh yeah: and why. which could explain the picture we saw earlier.
And that the alien species is or has been living on the moon. Actually, maybe the alien species has evolved from the same materials which also landed on earth, during the meteor shower that occured bilions of years ago and lasted for millions of years. Recently Nasa finally announced a 40 year old discovery: there is water on the moon. This means it probably has been there for about billions of years.

In my opinion: the moon once had an atmosphere. Exactly the same as earth atmosphere. The Moon is beautiful, but it is an accident: it is a result of two planets colliding: yes a planet collided with earth, a chance of one in a trillionquazillion... with that collision the two atmospheres merged from the two planets, to one atmosphere, and all gasses and materials mixed.. the core of the planet shrunk and attracted dust and other materials, which eventually created the surface of the moon (click)

The moon took a part of the atmosphere with him. thanks to the mixure of gasses and materials, the moon and earth now have about the same materials to start help evoluting biological materials. Both planet grow life.
Billions of years everything is ok. But the Moon and its atmosphere are small and running out of essential materials.

What happened to evolved creatures, maybe the highly intelligent creatures found a way to travel to earth, to try and survive: Piramides there, later here. What important is NASA hiding?

Sorry.. hypnotised by thought.. A new religion..

All i initially wanted to say was: there will be a time, not our lifetime, but some time.. there will only be one "religion" and that will be called simply: the truth..

The people in the future will not know the definition of religion and its brands and types. God(s), Boeddha(s), Allah(s) and many will be explained within the truth.

The truth is kept from us, becaus they think "we" as "mankind" are not ready for it, when looked from an evolutionary aspect.
When looked from a scientific angle, we are more then ready.

Hank, i am sorry, i don't support your idea of a new religion when the truth finally comes out.

For me, religion is a sum of unprovable twisted story's based on something real.
After the truth comes out, those story's are straight up

This is demeaning and only meant to provoke "believers", which I'd rather call knowers.

I don't believe in dogma or anything not substantiated by evidence(evidence, not proof), I don't believe in aliens for no reason, I've got tonnes of reasons for believeing that aliens are visiting us.

A change is coming, I've noticed it.. when the majority of the grey mass finally accept evidence of aliens(or extradimensionals, whatever) the rest will blindly follow and conform.

The switch from the masses not believing in aliens at all, to believing: "well, the universe is so huge, they have to exist" has already happened.

Now I'm waiting for the next step.

Also, I find it irritating that you as a "rational skeptic" fail to realize that you're making leaps of faith yourself when you dismiss all the evidence and confidently proclaim that aliens have never ever visited us.
Really, how can you know for sure? What divination techniques do you know of?

Originally posted by nethawk
reply to post by HankMcCoy

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Of course I am. I'm Native American. For my people, there never was a UFO or ET truth embargo. This is something we've known and believed in since thousands of years ago. Matter of fact, I can remember talking about the Star People with family members, uncles and aunts from the age of nine.

What is it about indigenous people and common sense? The "savages" are not really savage at all when compared to the rest of civilisation, which is pretty much insane.. and not civilised at all.

[edit on 16-11-2009 by TheLaughingGod]

reply to post by HankMcCoy

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God No (Pardon The Pun)- Do we really need another one???
Another faction to put us at odds with each other; which is exactly where the NWO wants us.

How about worshiping different races as a religions, sexual preference or dog breeds?

Please.........

Aside from what self-appointed “experts” may tell us as to what UFOs are or are not, what they represent and who – if anyone – is piloting them, the actual subject matter is, as far as I’m concerned, real and verifiable.

However, I have no idea what UFOs are and - as I have never seen one - cannot therefore logically offer my judgment as to their provenance as to what do I compare it?

Many of those that do insist that they know categorically what UFOs are, are (in my opinion) speaking from a personal perspective and not knowledge. They are creating a reality from a brief, perhaps beneficial, and ultimately incomprehensible event. What they are doing is aligning themselves to the “cargo cult” mentality. Here’s a Wikipedia definition for ease of explanation:

A cargo cult is a type of religious practice that may appear in traditional tribal societies in the wake of interaction with technologically advanced, non-native cultures. The cults are focused on obtaining the material wealth of the advanced culture through magical thinking, religious rituals and practices, believing that the wealth was intended for them by their deities and ancestors.

en.wikipedia.org...

Now, we can legitimately exchange the words “tribal societies” with “western civilizations” to make it relevant to us. The technological level of these alleged extraterrestrial visitors seems to bear out Arthur C. Clarke’s observation that alien equipment and knowledge may well appear to us as near magical.

“Material wealth” could also be altered to “spiritual” wealth as a backlash to a world that seems to have lost its moral way (though the amount of claims about reverse engineered technology makes me believe that exotic, free and labor saving technology could also be just as important to our materialistic society).

“Magical thinking” is easily identifiable as the “revealed knowledge” of the alien visitors. There are already “prophets” of this knowledge, and have been for over fifty years. Alien contactee “gurus” are ten-a-penny, and many of them post on ATS.

“Religious rituals and practices” becomes the obsequious real or virtual gatherings of “believers” (a phrase I find offensive as it deliberately isolates anyone who doesn’t “believe” the party line and disallows freedom of thought). Being a true skeptic, I am willing to have my present opinions changed – or at least altered - by logical thought, strong evidence and rational argument. I will not accept everything I hear to be the truth, and can listen with an open mind to others’ viewpoints. That cannot be said for the hardcore “believers”, as they are adamant that they – or more aptly, their leaders - are correct, and damn any other opinion. Try this site for blinkered, pseudo-religious, alien based, sci-fi propaganda (a really polished cargo cult):

www.ashtarcommandcrew.net...

“Deities and ancestors” is self-explanatory. Do a search for threads about alien Gods on ATS and stand back for the avalanche of results.


Every UFO cult/religion is a form of a cargo cult. This is because unfortunately, some humans who have experienced the UFO phenomenon in one of its many forms will go on to:

…imitate the superficial exterior of a process or system without having any understanding of the underlying substance…

en.wikipedia.org...

and become adamant that they are right, and indeed entitled, to regale us with their newfound “knowledge”. What they are in fact doing is trying to gain an understanding of this unexpectedly new and invasive process of thought by creating a system of belief that will explain their experience comfortably and, perhaps, to their benefit. Many will say that seeing UFOs changed them spiritually; it does not necessarily follow that UFOs are spiritual in nature, rather we as a species are programmed to look on the unusual and unexplainable as spiritual.

And of course, if you can explain convincingly and seemingly truthfully what UFOs are - adding that all important mystical and self-righteous spin - and others “believe” you, then you are instantly put in a position of power.

And isn’t power the base of all religions?

reply to post by karl 12

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what does this have to do with aliens now????

isn't it more likely advanced crafts from countrys on this earth?

and to the OP i completely agree, it already is becoming a religion. i see so many threads from kids on here "i cant wait for disclosure, how the aliens will save us, the aliens will come to save us from our evil governments"

i believe in ufo's and am open to the possibility of extraterrestrial life having visited and/or visiting our planet, but the people who completely believe in "aliens" and wait for a rapture are clearly just religious followers, and belief like this in aliens should be classified as such. religious hope. want for a savior.

a lot of these people dis on more orthodox religious folks too, which i think is silly.

whether you look up to the sky for an alien to come save you or jesus, it dopesnt matter, its the same cop out of an individual to take away from human meaning and place hopes and matters in a world that doesnt exist to hide from the reality of the situation we're in on this earth.




[edit on 16-11-2009 by whateverponcho]

reply to post by DataWraith

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Hi DataWraith.

That we – or more correctly some of us – do worship aliens is a given. Type in alien religion into the net and just start reading; it’s a whole Kent Brockman “I for one welcome our new ant Overlords” scenario.

These new forms of faith are no different to the myriad others we have already concocted, and offer nothing truly new in the form of salvation or belief. In fact, all they ask for is belief and the salvation will, apparently, follow. Din’tcha know there’re huge ships of the coast of Saturn just waiting for the word to come save us all?

However, the unique selling point for these new religions is that they can utilize highly convincing, easily accessible evidence of this unique and ongoing phenomenon that they can easily manipulate to fit their own criteria, if their creed is questioned. And that is something that every other faith/testimony-based creed lacks. When was the last time a blurry photograph of Jesus was plastered across the internet?

reply to post by john124

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As my last post implies - the fundamental difference between alien hunting and god hunting is that the former is real science, and the latter is supernatural and not part of science.

Absolutely correct. Nevertheless, isn’t it fair to say that we are ostensibly hard-wired –erroneously or not - to seek God everywhere? And why would good science stop those who choose to blatantly project a mantle of divinity onto what would presumably and logically be highly advanced - as opposed to divine – beings visiting us, from using science as a prop for their beliefs?

So what if lunatics run around claiming their cow was abducted?

The problem is that those lunatics are heard way and above those who have had real experiences or who do real research, and therefore taint truly important data with the same level of idiocy.

None of the lunacy makes searching for extraterrestrials a religion.

No, but the lunacy of assuming that visitors to our planet are somehow godly in nature is – unfortunately – borne out by my comparison of alien religion to cargo cults; some humans will look upon technology or philosophy or abilities that exceed our own by inconceivable measures as nothing other than the product of celestial enlightenment.

It’s already happening.

What we do not have is the defining evidence – a Rosetta stone of information - to which we can measure all UFO related incidents, hence be able to decode what, who and why they are coming here.

And until we have that facility, the interpretation of all UFO phenomena is open to any explanation, no matter how ludicrous, viable or persuasive it may be.

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