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Originally posted by HotSauce
reply to post by ZombieOctopus
Well lets all go back to the 16th century because some f'ing ice melted. There may well be global warming, but can you prove it is going to be any better or worse for humans than the temp 50 years ago.
Truth is the whole solar system has shown signs of warming, so maybe it has to do with Sun activity and there isn't a darn thing we can do about it, except embrace change and get a nice tan in places where we couldn't before.
[edit on 8-11-2009 by HotSauce]
i am arguing the point that humans have little to no effect on it.
that is simply not going to stop it.
but humans are flexible and will adapt and overcome.
The irresponsibility and lack of concern about this just staggers me
Originally posted by ZombieOctopus
Haven't you heard? The Americans have decided global warming is a hoax and the Earth is actually cooling. If the American public has something to say about science, surely it must be true!
If all the ice on the planet disappeared over night, global warming would still be viewed as a leftist conspiracy in the only country that can lead the rest of the developed world by example.
Take a good look at those glaciers, or what's left of them, we're the last generation to lay eyes on them.
On October 22, an accord was signed by Xie Zhenhua, China's vice minister at the National Development and Reform Commission, and Jairam Ramesh, India's environment minister, in New Delhi. The memorandum provides an alternative framework to counter pressure from America and Europe to adopt mandatory limits on greenhouse gas emissions in a new UN treaty. The two Asian powers will collaborate on the development of renewable power projects and improved energy efficiency programs, while rejecting any outside mandates that would slow economic growth.
It is easier to stay independent of the climate paranoia if one does not believe the planet is in peril. Xiao Ziniu, director general of the Beijing Climate Centre, told the British Guardian newspaper recently that "There is no agreed conclusion about how much change is dangerous....Whether the climate turns warmer or cooler, there are both positive and negative effects....In Chinese history, there have been many periods warmer than today." He disputed the disaster warnings of the UNIPCC, saying, "The accuracy of the prediction is very low because the climate is affected by many mechanisms we do not fully understand."
An article published in China's Science Times on September 7 cited a study done by Ding Zhongli, vice president of the Science Academy of China. It argued that there is no solid scientific evidence to strictly correlate global temperature rise and CO2 concentrations. Professor Ding noted that some geologists believe that global temperature is related to solar activities and glacial periods, meaning human activity is only one factor that can cause climate change. "Up to now not a single scientist has figured out the weight ratio of each factor on global temperature change," he wrote.
Originally posted by np6888
reply to post by wx4caster
So you're saying that wiki and the other 180 countries are all conspirators?
Originally posted by dodadoom
reply to post by ALLis0NE
Very nice post! Nice to see evaporative cooling mentioned!
Evaporative cooling has recently been observed to operate on a planetary scale on Pluto, where it has sometimes been called an anti-greenhouse effect.
Originally posted by dodadoom
However, I am sure now you will get called names and bashed around
and it will probably include something to do with Al Gore!
Not sure why exactly.
Originally posted by ALLis0NE
Wow, the ignorance on this topic is off the charts! Reading some of these replies actually makes me sick. Like HotSauce, that guy needs to be deported to China maybe then he will understand this topic more clearly.
Ok, let me lay it down in layman's terms so you people can fathom something that seems to be out of reach for you.
Before humans existed, the Earth dealt with "X" amount of CO2. Now that humans exist and burn fossil fuel for just about everything, the Earth is dealing with an additional amount of CO2, "Y", and it is steadily increasing.
X + Y = Z
The total amount "Z" is greater than the original amount "X".
Z > X
This means Earth has more CO2 then it had without humans. That also means Earth has CHANGED and humans caused the change. That is the cause, now lets find out the effect.
With simple scientific experiments that you can do at home, if you wish, you can find out that CO2 actually does trap heat like a greenhouse. That is why it is called a greenhouse gas. Actually, Earth and it's atmosphere is basically a big greenhouse.
So, scientifically, that means humans are adding to (effecting) Earths ability to trap heat. That is why Global Warming is predicted.
However, when you start warming certain areas of Earth it causes major weather fluctuations all over the world. That is why it is called Global Climate change.
Global warming can cause temporary global cooling. Have you ever heard of a evaporative cooler? The excess heat caused by global warming will melt ice and evaporate more water. The evaporation will cool the surrounding air, and cause "global cooling" but only temporarily.
Also, when ice melts, the cold melt-water mixes with warm water and effectively cools the warm water. The colder water then cools the air above it, and other things.
Scientifically, it is all TRUE. Global Climate Change is a real threat, and human ARE effecting the Earth. Seriously, we already know how to locally control weather by spraying chemicals in the air, and also by cloud seeding. The Earth is very reactive, and easily manipulated, and very fragile.
On top of that, we have to deal with solar weather changes that also effect Earth's weather...
If you want to sit back and not have a care in the world for the continuation of human beings on Earth then so be it. Just stay out of the way of people who are trying to preserve the future of mankind.
Yes, there may be people trying to cash in on this very real threat. People do that all the time, they try to make money off of fear and take advantage of bad situations. However, that doesn't mean the fear and bad situation is completely made up.
Really, do some real scientific research, experiments, calculations, and you will find out that human waste (pollution) is effecting our Earth, and something needs to be done about it.
Even if you don't believe everything I said is scientifically logical, you still have to worry about pollution poisoning humans.
Seriously, WAKE UP. Not everything is a lie, not everything is a conspiracy.
[edit on 9-11-2009 by ALLis0NE]
[edit on 9-11-2009 by ALLis0NE]