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Originally posted by sueloujo
Gordon Brown should be petitioned on this one..he is such a wimp! He makes me so ashamed.
The UN Human Rights Council has voted to endorse a Gaza war crimes report despite Israel's threats to pull out of the Middle East peace talks in retaliation.
Britain chose not to take part in the vote, which ended 25 to 6 in favour of the resolution, after heated telephone calls between Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, and Gordon Brown. Downing Street had been planning to order an abstention, but that option was disregarded despite the crucial nature of the vote and its ramifications for stability in the region
Speech by Col. Kemp, as delivered today, Oct. 16, 2009
UN Watch Oral Statement
UN Human Rights Council, 12th Special Session
Geneva, 16 October 2009
Delivered by Col. Richard Kemp
Originally posted by john124
Well it passed.......
www.timesonline.co.uk...
The UN Human Rights Council has voted to endorse a Gaza war crimes report despite Israel's threats to pull out of the Middle East peace talks in retaliation.
Britain chose not to take part in the vote, which ended 25 to 6 in favour of the resolution, after heated telephone calls between Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, and Gordon Brown. Downing Street had been planning to order an abstention, but that option was disregarded despite the crucial nature of the vote and its ramifications for stability in the region
...... Is it really Israel's fault that Hamas weren't able to kill as many Israeli's, even though Hamas fired as many rockets with the intention to kill thousands? Were Israel supposed to fire back the same sub-standard rockets?! This is baffling! War is not meant to be fair. Are Israel to blame for Hamas using human shields?
Interesting how the UN who can't even control their own HQ, when Gaddaffi stole the show when his speech lasted almost 3 hours instead of 20 mins, and now they've given the Iranian regime a month to clear up any evidence at their facilities.
Regardless of anyone's views whether Israel were disproportionate or not.... as this could be discussed all day without any sort of agreement here, this resolution will only lead Israel to further unilateral action in the future. The west isn't going to stop backing Israel, so some of you will just have to live with it. Many unfortunately will also die with it as well.
[edit on 16-10-2009 by john124]
Originally posted by Dnevnoi
reply to post by john124
Good post john124, I tracked down the article and posted the link just so that the inevitable Israel decrying crowd can't say you made it up.
UN WATCH
Speech by Col. Kemp, as delivered today, Oct. 16, 2009
UN Watch Oral Statement
UN Human Rights Council, 12th Special Session
Geneva, 16 October 2009
Delivered by Col. Richard Kemp
It is an official statement. A military man dispelling the lies and deceit. Amazing. Bravo Colonel, bravo.
Originally posted by kcfusion
The UN are no saints that is for sure... as for whose fault it it... Israel have a stranglehold on gaza, controlling everything in everything out, all the people in Gaza know is poverty and they are sick of it.
Wouldn't you be? Their people are being wiped out, pushed to the end of the sandpit by Israeli settlements, slowly they're being suffocated. If I was a palestinian in Gaza I would be angry, would you?? Of course you would! Hamas is a direct result of this suffocation, they are the anger manifestated among the palestinians.
One thing to remember is not to look at a group like hamas and assume that all the palestinians support what they're doing (the same way the majority of Ireland do not support the IRA in its wrong doings) but at the same time nobody else will stand up for them or their rights as human beings on this planet, so what alternative do they have?? Not condoning their actions ether by the way.
Originally posted by kcfusion
I should say by Israel I mean the Israeli Government not the people of Israel, although saying that what do the people not speak up and tell the Israel Government to release Gaza from its grip??
Originally posted by Dnevnoi
Originally posted by kcfusion
I should say by Israel I mean the Israeli Government not the people of Israel, although saying that what do the people not speak up and tell the Israel Government to release Gaza from its grip??
Because they remember the transit stations, markets, crowded buses, streets, and gathering areas that were bombed by the PLO and other terrorists. And those were just the attacks that followed through, countless others were prevented by the Yemam and other groups. As an analogy, if there is a stigma, do you isolate it, or let it spread and consume you? Do you let terrorism spread or do you stop it at the source?
Originally posted by john124
Prior to the vote, Col. Richard Kemp, the former commander of British forces in Afghanistan addressed the UN session, and said that based on his knowledge and experience, during Operation Cast Lead, the IDF "did more to safeguard the rights of civilians in a combat zone than any other army in the history of warfare."
Speaking on behalf of UN Watch, an independent Geneva human rights group, Kemp added that "Israel did so while facing an enemy that deliberately positioned its military capability behind the human shield of the civilian population."
He said that Hamas, like Hizballah, was expert at driving the media agenda.
"Both will always have people ready to give interviews condemning Israeli forces for war crimes," he said. "They are adept at staging and distorting incidents."
"It is the automatic, Pavlovian presumption by many in the international media, and international human rights groups, that the IDF are in the wrong, that they are abusing human rights," continued Kemp. "The truth is that the IDF took extraordinary measures to give Gaza civilians notice of targeted areas, dropping over 2 million leaflets, and making over 100,000 phone calls. Many missions that could have taken out Hamas military capability were aborted to prevent civilian casualties."
"War is chaos and full of mistakes," added the former commander who has served with NATO and the United Nations; commanded troops in Northern Ireland, Bosnia and Macedonia; and participated in the Gulf War. "There have been mistakes by the British, American and other forces in Afghanistan and in Iraq, many of which can be put down to human error. But mistakes are not war crimes."
He stressed that the civilian casualties were a consequence of Hamas' way of fighting, saying the terror group deliberately tried to sacrifice their own civilians.
"Israel had no choice apart from defending its people, to stop Hamas from attack"
[edit on 16-10-2009 by john124]