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And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.
No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
Verses like these...what do you have to say to them? I'm curious. The God in the old testament is the same God in the new testament. He's pretty messed up in the old testament it seems...
Weren't the virgin women raped?
There are two parts to this objection: did God instruct or permit the soldiers to rape the women, and did the soldiers actually rape them?
It's clear that God didn't intend for the soldiers to rape the women, but rather to take them captive. The law God had given to the Israelites condemned rape, in some cases punishing it with death (Dt 22:25-27). Also, immediately following the command to spare the virgin women, the soldiers were instructed to purify themselves and their captives (31:19), and rape (or consensual intercourse) would have violated this command (Lev 15:16-18). In the rest of the chapter, the women are usually referred to as people (using the masculine adam), not women or virgins, underscoring the notion that they were seen as captives rather than sexual objects.1
It's theoretically possible that some of the soldiers raped the women, but given the circumstances it seems very unlikely. The soldiers would have known that rape was a violation of both the law and the instruction to purify themselves, as shown above; they had also seen God punish such violations with death during their travels in the desert. In fact, they had recently experienced a plague and executions resulting from their relations with Midianite women (25:1-9), as Moses reminded them. At that time, all those who had sexual relations with the Midianites were killed. It's highly implausible that the soldiers would have wanted to have anything to do with the Midianite women given this context.
So what did happen to the women (and children)? God gave the Israelites permission to marry women they took captive, but they were to treat their wives with respect: the women were to have time to mourn their families first, and were not to be mistreated (Dt 21:10-14). Those who didn't marry would have become servants, but there were rules against mistreating them as well (Ex 21:26-27, Dt 23:15-16). See the article on slavery laws for more on the treatment of female slaves.
Originally posted by Grandma
reply to post by LeoVirgo
My dear daughter you know from where I come and I humbly bring my thoughts and "beliefs" to your thread.
"Therefore since we have been justified through faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by FAITH into this grace in which we now stand."
Yes, it is true my belief is in Jesus Christ as the true Son of the Living God. I have great FAITH and HOPE in my salvation and that one day by his grace I will see him face to face in all of his glory. PRAISE GOD!
How have I come to belief? First, my grandmother told me stories about Jesus and how much he loved me. That seemed to light a flame in my heart to know more about his love. At 8 years old I started going to a church close to our home. I can truly say that was a beginning of this unique relationship between God and I. I talked to him all the time and I always felt him close to me. That experienced sparked my belief.
"For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of the sonship. And by him we cry Abba,Father. The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God's children.
Yes, words of men but my spirit does cry "Abba, Father". I feel in my alone time the true oneness that comes between his Spirit and mine. It is a time of pure joy and having communion with my Lord and Creator. Yes, reading the scriptures are important to my faith but I also use other sources that I feel I have tested and I am not closed minded to hear another persons opinion about my faith or what they believe or not believe.
For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has. But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
I believe my conscience confirms my faith by the Holy Spirit. I wait for "it" patiently.
Love Ya Bunches,
Originally posted by The time lord
The point is that we are stuck in this not so perfect environment, it is not perfect and we have death and endless other troubles. The Bible events especially with Christ, brought a new order to society and the nations, there was no more tribal rituals that killed people for asking nature to bring rains or forgiveness, there was no more need to sacrifice animals, all this 2000 years ago became outdated, a new era was born.
Out of Christianity, men and women were united, democracy and tolerance was made official, hope for an afterlife and salvation not only for the Jews but for all of man was established. A new hope and a way out of tribal separated society where all is accepted but people had goals of spreading the news of Christ and the power of the Holy Spirit.
It is a balance for society and individuals, it is not overall strict, it is not Sharia Law of Jewish law or communism or dictatorship, it is a fair law in Christianity because to be too free it is freedom to kill, but to stay in its boundaries we are contained in a safety net.
This is why places like the UK and USA will crumble to extremism once it fails to keep it's Christian foundation alive, society will be a warzone, pure democracy without religion can only contain itself so far, if the believers believe no more there would be no more spirit left to hold back the extremist thinkers who will try and take over a system that is like putty and can be changed to their own image, the freedom to end freedoms will be in its place, uphold the Bible and they will scatter.
[edit on 16-10-2009 by The time lord]
Originally posted by LeoVirgo
Its just that simple.
What if I am putting my faith into the wrong hands?