Originally posted by speakplain
reply to post by LeoVirgo
I'm sorry that you don't agree with God as regards Salvation, but I don't think he will change the rules because you have no belief.
You don't need faith for something you can see, by definition, it's there, it's tangible.
Faith is belief in the unseen - belief and trust in what God says - you trust God and that what he says is true. That is precisely how God knows you
The church as I believe you are defining it (as an organised religion) has nothing to do with it. The Bible clearly said that belief in the risen
Christ is essential for Salvation, it never mentions any denomination of church.
If you trust God and believe his word, you are a part of his church, no matter where you live or whether or not you attend an organised church. So to
say that belief is a tool of the organised church is just wrong.
"Surely, a Divine Supreme One would not hold it against me for second guessing my fellow mans words."
I cannot answer for God, but I suspect that not believing his revealed word will tick him off. This kind of comment shows that you have not studied
the Bible. The Bible was written over many years, by many authors, yet a study will reveal that there is one message written throughout, and
ultimately one author. If I were you I would trust the Bible rather than the 'Gospels of Peace' - whatever that is.
Jesus will embrace you if you turn to him with all your heart. Guaranteed.
You have made assumptions to someone you barely know. I study the Bible more then any book....my understandings came through the Holy Spirit, of how
to discern the Bible. I dont expect you to believe that, for it was a personal relation that I gained understanding from. I have been on a path that
no man could of taught me. I do know Jesus was real, through personal experience, but what good would that do me to tell others that I know he is
real. Does that mean what other men wrote about Jesus and the Holy Spirit is truth???? That God expects all of these souls to believe and learn about
Thee through a book? The masses are not seeking and are not discerning between Earth and Spirit.
Its hard, for my Earthly self, to not throw accusations back at you.
But I will say, God is a Spirit of 'ways'....these ways revovle around orders and cycles. The mercy is the justice, for the mercy creates a 'way'
always. No lights will be lost. God wont be ticked off with anyone....but yet Thee waits for us to find understanding.
Asking people to just have 'faith' and just 'believe' takes away some of their logical reasonings....which shackles the mind and senses that God
did give us, to learn from this womb that we call Earth.
I cant tell others to believe because I know something....so I can only show them a few pebbles that might be laying in that direction if they see a
light from the direction I am walking.
To feel like one has gained Spiritual Knowledge is so hard because that one knows, only others could see it if they removed the shackle. I know that I
cant just tell others that the Soul of Jesus and the comforting Holy Spirit has taught me to discern things....for it must be something the soul
experiences for its own self. Same reason the Bible is not going to give Gods pearls to the carnal man....for there would be no real understanding.
We arent here to just be given answers and to be just given a way out. The purpose we are here must be fulfilled, there is no short cut, and this
revolves around the law of cycles. You will reap what you sow. This was and is and will be. Nothing can stop that Spiritual Law, it is woven into how
this world works.
I would love for you to go back and answer the questions I posted....
As to....what sense does it make, that Gods word is not something that was always here, will always be here, something that is woven in the template
of the world itself for our sense's to pick up on.
I have found God, I walk with Thee and I humbly learn. This is how I have come to know the nature of Thee, which lead me back to re read and re study
my Bible and books and history's. I did seek, I did knock....and the door was most defiantly answered. It brought me not a 'belief' but actually
experiences. This is what I hope to happen for others, for them to learn that we have everything we need, it is already here and was here sense the
beginning of flesh. Its not a book....its a nature.
Its not at all that I dont understand 'why' you believe what you do, or others do, I totally understand why others believe what they do. I ask....do
you test it through the Holy Spirit? The Holy Spirit is unblemished....this nature is something that must be experienced, and it waits with patients
and guidance until the seeker knocks in a honest heart, a humbled mind, and eyes willing to see the things that cant be told to us by other men.
My concern, is not for me, it is for others. Just as though when you tell me I might be ticking God off if I dont believe the word God gave me....you
say this out of concern, I would hope.
If you felt God showed you something that was holding many souls back....would you stand alone? Would you understand no one is going to glorify you
except the Holy Spirit? Would you be willing to know that this path would cause others to call you foolish and blind? Without a book to back you,
without a religion to back you? This is not about me and God. Its about the masses, the majority, not seeking Thee in the ways of life that Thee meant
for us to.
If you would like to tell me, what sense it makes for God to make the 'way' and the 'word' be passed to us through a material, earthly object that
can be destroyed....then Im all ears for your words.
My best to you and yours